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Re: container homes and modernism	David Cramton
	Jan 15, 2007 18:59 PST

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Hello everyone.

From a purely layman's take on modernism vs. conservatism in design
regarding housing: I think that many modern designs simply are not
comfortable looking. From the outside, I think, many people (this is
largely me pasting my own feelings onto "They") want their homes to
look inviting and warm. And to reiterate Eric's point, that
aesthetic is culturally driven, so here in North America, and any
rate, we are drawn to things that look vaguely Victorian, Colonial or
Federal, since that is what the continent first saw, what we are used
to. And anywhere you look, I don't think many people equate huge
planes of glass, corrugated metal sheets, strange angles, and
concrete with "comfort". Many people work in establishments built of
those very elements, and want to leave them when they come home. I
think those elements lend themselves to an emotional distance that I
don't associate with "home". Then again, I grew up in NE
Pennsylvania mining country, where most of the original homes in the
area are miners homes, tall, thin two story jobs designed to be
convection heated by the coal stove in the basement. But the point
I'm trying to make is that modernist homes generally don't look
welcoming, enveloping and sheltering like I want a house to look and
feel. They look great, really interesting, etc., but I'm not sure I
would want to live in one. Besides, I could never afford any of the
Eames and Le Corbusier furniture. . . . .

--Dave

On Jan 13, 2007, at 6:07 AM, Eric Patrick wrote:

Hi Eric

Some interesting thoughts and I think basically valid, though I
think the last paragraph is overly optimistic. One thing that
stuck me in Ottawaduring the high tech boom was that, contrary to
general expectations, this young, technophile, possibly eccentric
dotcom millionaire market did not go for the loft look downtown but
overwhelmingly bought large, traditional houses in the old,
established prestigious neighbourhoods. What does this indicate?
That they see their home as an investment and feel these areas are
a safer bet? That as a status symbol one has to buy in these
neighbourhoods, where its too expensive to tear down and build? I
suspect its mainly psychological; unlike a car, which is an
‘accessory’ and a public one, and something which is ultimately
disposable, that people strongly internalize an aesthetic they
associate with a home (as opposed to a house), ie nostalgic,
secure, private; basically something they grew up in. Of course in
many big cities one has a downtown market for modernism with YUPPIE
purchasers, but I wonder if this is not due to physical
constraints; ie conversion of industrial buildings etc, which could
never be made to look like the suburbs. Basically, the North
American home owner has a very conservative, traditional aesthetic.
This, in my opinion, is why we don’t see more use of containers for
modern, funky developments, though of course could also be by-law
issues or, in some places, weather

Eric

From: eric meinert [mailto:ericme-@hotmail.com]
Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 1:22 AM
To: Dymaxi-@topica.com
Subject: RE: Testing, please ignore

I imagine that a high cube container will not be affected by
insulation enought to reduce the ceiling below eight feet, even
with an insulated floor. The walls may be another matter.

The way I envisage a container habitat being efficient and livable
is through the ability to extend the width by modular add ons,
bringing the total width to about twelve, or at least ten feet.
Expansive glass will also go a long way towards eliminating the
claustrophobic limits of an eight foot width module.

I think that the real benefits of container habitation are in the
cost savings of factory installation of all mechanical systems,
including fit up options like flooring materials.

Visualise automobile or bus assembly lines. The scale and
repetition allows for economical subassemblies and precision
installation. Ironically, the most suitable people for designing
the ecologically sustainable container home are people with
experience in the assembly of automobiles. If people think that the
results of this level of standardization will produce sterile,
unexciting, and monotonous housing, they are mistaken. Look at the
choice of automobiles on the market today. There is a car to
express the personality of every driver, from Hummers to Smart
Cars. And within each brand and model there are color and finish
options as well. Imagine a home designed by the people at Mercedes
Benz.

This approach is the solution to the planet's housing needs, not
more 'Modern' custom homes as seen in DWELL magazine and other such
sources of 'inspiration'. Modernism was inspired by the
efficiencies of mass production, to benefit the masses.
Unfortunately, it became a vehicle of an elite need to separate
itself from the 'tasteless' masses. The result was an architecture
which I call Potempkin Modernism. Modern only on the surface, with
an intention to impress. The furnishings are similarly elitist,
with simple designer 'functional' pieces fetching outrageous prices
that leave the ordinarly shopper with no recourse but IKEA for
anything modern and affordable. Part of the problem with the lack
of acceptance by the public for Modernist architecture (including
Container dwellings) is this ironic lack of affordability of modern
design offerings. The second major obstacle is the inchoate quality
of many modern designs. Again the comparision with automobiles is
instructive. The public has no issue whatsoever with the modern and
forward looking products of the automobile industry. Even the most
ordinarly car features sleek aerodynamic lines, machine esthetic
colors, and complex instrument panels. You do not find people
demanding that cars look like horse drawn buggies. Yet in
architecture, people want houses that look like they are from the
horse and buggy age, with ornamental flourishes and traditional
materials. Why? Because the alternative offerings are so often
sterile or eccentric. Compare a forward looking automobile design,
such as a Mercedes Benz, with a modern home, such as a DWELL home.

The Mercedes is symmetrical in design, and its overall esthetic
expresses what it is, a machine designed to move. Now look at a
'modern' home. Typically there is a deliberate lack of symmetry,
and the choice of materials is mixed, such as currogated metal
combined with natural wood. Can you imagine a Mercedes with three
doors on one side, and one on the other? With a flat roof and
wooden door panels? The inconsistency and asymmetry is unattractive.

Container homes offer the benefit that they tightly constrain the
designer, due to their strict modular availability. This,
ironically, can result in an architecture with the ageless appeal
of vernacular architecture. That is, an architecture where the
houses are fundamentally similar, with minor variations
constrained, and all designs expressing with honesty and charm
their fundmental contruction and material.

From: Eric Patrick <eric.p-@undp.org>
Reply-To: Dymaxi-@topica.com
To: Dymaxi-@topica.com
Subject: RE: Testing, please ignore
Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 10:42:14 +0300

Hi Deb

Good point; but does this not significantly reduce the living
space? Also, are they not considerably more expensive

Eric

From: deborah drew [mailto:dtd-@aol.com]
Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 9:13 PM
To: Dymaxi-@topica.com
Subject: Re: Testing, please ignore

Eric,

Regarding heat. Refrigerated containers are well insulated, works
both ways. A fellow Canadian.

Deb Drew

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<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; ">Hello everyone.<DIV> </DIV><DIV>From a purely layman's take on modernism vs. conservatism in design regarding housing: I think that many modern designs simply are not comfortable looking. From the outside, I think, many people (this is largely me pasting my own feelings onto "They") want their homes to look inviting and warm. And to reiterate Eric's point, that aesthetic is culturally driven, so here in North America, and any rate, we are drawn to things that look vaguely Victorian, Colonial or Federal, since that is what the continent first saw, what we are used to. And anywhere you look, I don't think many people equate huge planes of glass, corrugated metal sheets, strange angles, and concrete with "comfort". Many people work in establishments built of those very elements, and want to leave them when they come home. I think those elements lend themselves to an emotional distance that I don't associate with "home". Then again, I grew up in NE Pennsylvania mining country, where most of the original homes in the area are miners homes, tall, thin two story jobs designed to be convection heated by the coal stove in the basement. But the point I'm trying to make is that modernist homes generally don't look welcoming, enveloping and sheltering like I want a house to look and feel. They look great, really interesting, etc., but I'm not sure I would want to live in one. Besides, I could never afford any of the Eames and Le Corbusier furniture. . . . .</DIV><DIV> </DIV><DIV>--Dave</DIV><DIV> <DIV><DIV>On Jan 13, 2007, at 6:07 AM, Eric Patrick wrote:</DIV> <BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-align: auto; -khtml-text-decorations-in-effect: none; text-indent: 0px; -apple-text-size-adjust: auto; text-transform: none; orphans: 2; white-space: normal; widows: 2; word-spacing: 0px; "><O:SMARTTAGTYPE namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="City"><O:SMARTTAGTYPE namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="place"><O:SMARTTAGTYPE namespaceuri="urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:smarttags" name="PersonName"><DIV class="Section1">Hi Eric<O:P style="color: rgb(0, 0, 128); font-family: Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; "></O:P>Some interesting thoughts and I think basically valid, though I think the last paragraph is overly optimistic. One thing that stuck me in <ST1:CITY w:st="on"><ST1:PLACE w:st="on">Ottawa</ST1:PLACE></ST1:CITY>during the high tech boom was that, contrary to general expectations, this young, technophile, possibly eccentric dotcom millionaire market did not go for the loft look downtown but overwhelmingly bought large, traditional houses in the old, established prestigious neighbourhoods. What does this indicate? That they see their home as an investment and feel these areas are a safer bet? That as a status symbol one has to buy in these neighbourhoods, where its too expensive to tear down and build? I suspect its mainly psychological; unlike a car, which is an ‘accessory’ and a public one, and something which is ultimately disposable, that people strongly internalize an aesthetic they associate with a home (as opposed to a house), ie nostalgic, secure, private; basically something they grew up in. Of course in many big cities one has a downtown market for modernism with YUPPIE purchasers, but I wonder if this is not due to physical constraints; ie conversion of industrial buildings etc, which could never be made to look like the suburbs. Basically, the North American home owner has a very conservative, traditional aesthetic. This, in my opinion, is why we don’t see more use of containers for modern, funky developments, though of course could also be by-law issues or, in some places, weather<O:P style="color: rgb(0, 0, 128); font-family: Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; "></O:P>Eric<O:P style="color: rgb(0, 0, 128); font-family: Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; "></O:P><O:P style="color: rgb(0, 0, 128); font-family: Arial; font-size: 13.3333px; "> </O:P><DIV><DIV class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><HR size="2" width="100%" align="center" tabindex="-1"></DIV>From: eric meinert [<A href="mailto:ericme-@hotmail.com">mailto:ericme-@hotmail.com</A>] Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 1:22 AM To: <ST1:PERSONNAME w:st="on"><A href="mailto:Dymaxi-@topica.com">Dymaxi-@topica.com</A></ST1:PERSONNAME> Subject: RE: Testing, please ignore<O:P style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></DIV><O:P style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "> </O:P><DIV>I imagine that a high cube container will not be affected by insulation enought to reduce the ceiling below eight feet, even with an insulated floor. The walls may be another matter.<O:P style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P>The way I envisage a container habitat being efficient and livable is through the ability to extend the width by modular add ons, bringing the total width to about twelve, or at least ten feet. Expansive glass will also go a long way towards eliminating the claustrophobic limits of an eight foot width module.<O:P style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P>I think that the real benefits of container habitation are in the cost savings of factory installation of all mechanical systems, including fit up options like flooring materials.<O:P style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P>Visualise automobile or bus assembly lines. The scale and repetition allows for economical subassemblies and precision installation. Ironically, the most suitable people for designing the ecologically sustainable container home are people with experience in the assembly of automobiles. If people think that the results of this level of standardization will produce sterile, unexciting, and monotonous housing, they are mistaken. Look at the choice of automobiles on the market today. There is a car to express the personality of every driver, from Hummers to Smart Cars. And within each brand and model there are color and finish options as well. Imagine a home designed by the people at Mercedes Benz.<O:P style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P>This approach is the solution to the planet's housing needs, not more 'Modern' custom homes as seen in DWELL magazine and other such sources of 'inspiration'. Modernism was inspired by the efficiencies of mass production, to benefit the masses. Unfortunately, it became a vehicle of an elite need to separate itself from the 'tasteless' masses. The result was an architecture which I call Potempkin Modernism. Modern only on the surface, with an intention to impress. The furnishings are similarly elitist, with simple designer 'functional' pieces fetching outrageous prices that leave the ordinarly shopper with no recourse but IKEA for anything modern and affordable. Part of the problem with the lack of acceptance by the public for Modernist architecture (including Container dwellings) is this ironic lack of affordability of modern design offerings. The second major obstacle is the inchoate quality of many modern designs. Again the comparision with automobiles is instructive. The public has no issue whatsoever with the modern and forward looking products of the automobile industry. Even the most ordinarly car features sleek aerodynamic lines, machine esthetic colors, and complex instrument panels. You do not find people demanding that cars look like horse drawn buggies. Yet in architecture, people want houses that look like they are from the horse and buggy age, with ornamental flourishes and traditional materials. Why? Because the alternative offerings are so often sterile or eccentric. Compare a forward looking automobile design, such as a Mercedes Benz, with a modern home, such as a DWELL home.<O:P style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P>The Mercedes is symmetrical in design, and its overall esthetic expresses what it is, a machine designed to move. Now look at a 'modern' home. Typically there is a deliberate lack of symmetry, and the choice of materials is mixed, such as currogated metal combined with natural wood. Can you imagine a Mercedes with three doors on one side, and one on the other? With a flat roof and wooden door panels? The inconsistency and asymmetry is unattractive.<O:P style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P>Container homes offer the benefit that they tightly constrain the designer, due to their strict modular availability. This, ironically, can result in an architecture with the ageless appeal of vernacular architecture. That is, an architecture where the houses are fundamentally similar, with minor variations constrained, and all designs expressing with honesty and charm their fundmental contruction and material. <O:P style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P> <O:P style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P> <O:P style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 11.3333px; "></O:P><DIV class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><HR size="1" width="100%" noshade="" color="#a0c6e5" align="center"></DIV>From: Eric Patrick <<A href="mailto:eric.p-@undp.org">eric.p-@undp.org</A>> Reply-To: <ST1:PERSONNAME w:st="on"><A href="mailto:Dymaxi-@topica.com">Dymaxi-@topica.com</A></ST1:PERSONNAME> To: <ST1:PERSONNAME w:st="on"><A href="mailto:Dymaxi-@topica.com">Dymaxi-@topica.com</A></ST1:PERSONNAME> Subject: RE: Testing, please ignore Date: Fri, 12 Jan 2007 10:42:14 +0300<O:P style="font-family: Tahoma; font-size: 11.3333px; "></O:P><BLOCKQUOTE style="border:none;border-left:solid #A0C6E5 1.5pt;padding:0in 0in 0in 4.0pt; margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0in;margin-bottom:5.0pt">Hi Deb<O:P style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P>Good point; but does this not significantly reduce the living space? Also, are they not considerably more expensive<O:P style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P>Eric<O:P style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P> <O:P style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P><DIV><DIV class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><HR size="2" width="100%" align="center"></DIV>From: deborah drew [<A href="mailto:dtd-@aol.com">mailto:dtd-@aol.com</A>] Sent: Thursday, January 11, 2007 9:13 PM To: <ST1:PERSONNAME w:st="on"><A href="mailto:Dymaxi-@topica.com">Dymaxi-@topica.com</A></ST1:PERSONNAME> Subject: Re: Testing, please ignore<O:P style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></DIV> <O:P style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P><DIV>Eric,<O:P style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></DIV><DIV> <O:P style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></DIV><DIV>Regarding heat. Refrigerated containers are well insulated, works both ways. A fellow Canadian.<O:P style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></DIV><DIV> <O:P style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></DIV><DIV>Deb Drew<O:P style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P></DIV><PRE style="font-family: Courier New; font-size: 13.3333px; white-space: pre; ">________________________________________________<O:P style="font-family: Courier New; font-size: 13.3333px; white-space: pre; "></O:P></PRE><PRE style="font-family: Courier New; font-size: 13.3333px; white-space: pre; ">To subscribe: <ST1:PERSONNAME w:st="on"><A href="mailto:Dymaxion200-@topica.com">Dymaxion200-@topica.com</A></ST1:PERSONNAME><O:P style="font-family: Courier New; font-size: 13.3333px; white-space: pre; "></O:P></PRE><PRE style="font-family: Courier New; font-size: 13.3333px; white-space: pre; ">To unsubscribe: <A href="mailto:Dymaxion2000-@topica.com">Dymaxion2000-@topica.com</A><O:P style="font-family: Courier New; font-size: 13.3333px; white-space: pre; "></O:P></PRE><PRE style="font-family: Courier New; font-size: 13.3333px; white-space: pre; ">To view list archives on the Web: <A href="http://www.topica.com/lists/Dymaxion2000/read">http://www.topica.com/lists/Dymaxion2000/read</A><O:P style="font-family: Courier New; font-size: 13.3333px; white-space: pre; "></O:P></PRE><PRE style="font-family: Courier New; font-size: 13.3333px; white-space: pre; ">List admin questions: <A href="mailto:dyma-@nextage.net">dyma-@nextage.net</A><O:P style="font-family: Courier New; font-size: 13.3333px; white-space: pre; "></O:P></PRE><PRE style="font-family: Courier New; font-size: 13.3333px; white-space: pre; ">________________________________________________<O:P style="font-family: Courier New; font-size: 13.3333px; white-space: pre; "></O:P></PRE><PRE style="font-family: Courier New; font-size: 13.3333px; white-space: pre; ">To subscribe: <ST1:PERSONNAME w:st="on"><A href="mailto:Dymaxion200-@topica.com">Dymaxion200-@topica.com</A></ST1:PERSONNAME><O:P style="font-family: Courier New; font-size: 13.3333px; white-space: pre; "></O:P></PRE><PRE style="font-family: Courier New; font-size: 13.3333px; white-space: pre; ">To unsubscribe: <A href="mailto:Dymaxion2000-@topica.com">Dymaxion2000-@topica.com</A><O:P style="font-family: Courier New; font-size: 13.3333px; white-space: pre; "></O:P></PRE><PRE style="font-family: Courier New; font-size: 13.3333px; white-space: pre; ">To view list archives on the Web: <A href="http://www.topica.com/lists/Dymaxion2000/read">http://www.topica.com/lists/Dymaxion2000/read</A><O:P style="font-family: Courier New; font-size: 13.3333px; white-space: pre; "></O:P></PRE><PRE style="font-family: Courier New; font-size: 13.3333px; white-space: pre; ">List admin questions: <A href="mailto:dyma-@nextage.net">dyma-@nextage.net</A><O:P style="font-family: Courier New; font-size: 13.3333px; white-space: pre; "></O:P></PRE><PRE style="font-family: Courier New; font-size: 13.3333px; white-space: pre; "><O:P style="font-family: Courier New; font-size: 16px; white-space: pre; "> </O:P></PRE><PRE style="font-family: Courier New; font-size: 13.3333px; white-space: pre; "><O:P style="font-family: Courier New; font-size: 16px; white-space: pre; "> </O:P></PRE><PRE style="font-family: Courier New; font-size: 13.3333px; white-space: pre; "><O:P style="font-family: Courier New; font-size: 16px; white-space: pre; "> </O:P></PRE><PRE style="font-family: Courier New; font-size: 13.3333px; white-space: pre; "><O:P style="font-family: Courier New; font-size: 16px; white-space: pre; "> </O:P></PRE><PRE style="font-family: Courier New; font-size: 13.3333px; white-space: pre; "><O:P style="font-family: Courier New; font-size: 16px; white-space: pre; "> </O:P></PRE><PRE style="font-family: Courier New; font-size: 13.3333px; white-space: pre; "><O:P style="font-family: Courier New; font-size: 16px; white-space: pre; "> </O:P></PRE><PRE style="font-family: Courier New; font-size: 13.3333px; white-space: pre; "><O:P style="font-family: Courier New; font-size: 13.3333px; white-space: pre; "> </O:P></PRE></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV> <O:P style="font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "></O:P><DIV class="MsoNormal" align="center" style="text-align:center; font-family: Times New Roman; font-size: 16px; "><HR size="2" width="100%" align="center"></DIV>Your opinion matters. 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