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THE SEVENFOLD WITNESS OF JOHN

By Herb Evans

             For there are three that bare record in heaven the FATHER, the
WORD, and the HOLY GHOST: and these three are one. And there are three that
bare witness in earth, the SPIRIT, and the WATER, and the BLOOD: and these
three agree in one. -- 1 John 5:7, 8

             Jehovah’s Witnesses (Rusellites) and other modern day Arians
and Sabellians are quick to deny the authority and truth of 1 John 5:7 as
did there more ancient counterparts, the Nicolaitanes and Cerinthians.
Fundamentalists are now joining such a company. Yes, even Scofield did say
in his margin, “It is generally agreed that v.7 has no real authority, and
has been inserted.” (It was a J.W. that first reminded us of this many
years ago.) Fortunately, we have learned a long time ago to listen for the
hiss of the serpent in expressions like, “It is generally agreed” or “the
consensus of the scholars.” Agreed to by who? Who do you consider to be a
real authority? Quite frankly, we could care less whether Scofield, Wescott
& Hort, Sumner, Kutilek, and the Biblical Evangelist say. They are agreeing
on everything, including a Bible believer’s divorce and their dislike for
this passage. We certainly question whether they are REAL authorities.
After all, wasn’t Scofield divorced? Consistency, Brother!


THE HEAVENLY WITNESSES

             When Bible believers make a stink about the blood taken being
out of the ASV and other corrupt bibles (Col. 1:14), they are expected to
be soothed by the fact that there are still other places in the Bible,
where the blood can be found. Well, why should the same crowd be upset at a
Trinitarian concept of Father, Word, and Holy Ghost which are taught in
other places of the word of God? Nice, fair, consistent crowd they are!

             When Bible believers heap praise on the Authorized Version,
they are quickly assailed with, “Erasmus was a Catholic, when he did not
use the underlying Greek manuscripts, and so forth. However, regarding 1
John 5:7, the same bunch tells us that Erasmus didn’t think that verse
should be included. Was he not still a Catholic? Nice, fair, consistent bunch!

             When Bible believers contend for preservation and the
Authorized Version only position, they are bombarded with the rules of
Greek and Hebrew syntax, genders and all. The same Bible of the month club
refuses to explain why the Greek masculine article, numeral, and participle
do not match the neuter Spirit, blood, and water when the unauthoritive
(socalled) verse seven IS EXCLUDED! Nice, fair, consistent Bible of the
month club!

             When Bible believers are criticized for only having two Greek
manuscripts* extant to support 1 John 5:7 (actually, there are a dozen or
more), they are ignored. When they respond with a list of the Best
Rendering group’s renderings without support from ANY manuscript, they are
also ignored. A case in point is Romans 8:28, “the Holy Spirit himself.”
Why doesn’t this group explain why the Greek gender for “Holy Spirit” and
“itself” are neuter as they insist that it should be, “the Holy Spirit
HIMSELF?” Nice, fair, consistent group!

             When Bible believers believe 1 John 5:7, their critics boast
of the antiquity of their corrupt manuscripts, which do not contain it (you
know, the oldest and best manuscript trick). However, the same outfit
ignores the antiquity of the ancient writers and commentators who do refer
to the passage, ignoring also the antiquity of the Old Latin manuscripts
translated from the Greek. Nice, fair, consistent outfit! *

             *Note: Manuscript evidence at the end of this article


THE EARTHLY WITNESSES

               This is he that CAME BY WATER and BLOOD, even Jesus Christ;
not by water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that
beareth witness, because the Spirit is truth. -- 1 John 5:6

             For by one offering he hath perfected forever them that are
sanctified. Whereof the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us . . .Let us draw
near with a true heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts
sprinkled (blood-Heb. 9:14), and our bodies washed with PURE
WATER. --Hebrews 10:14, 15, 22

             But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and
forthwith came there out BLOOD and WATER. And he that saw it BARE RECORD
and his record is true: and he knoweth that he saith true, that ye might
believe. --John 19:34,35

             Rock of Ages, cleft for me, Let me hide myself in Thee;

             Let the water and the blood, From thy wounded side which flowed,

             Be of sin the double cure, Save from wrath and make me pure.

             --Augustus M. Toplady

             We have seen the three heavenly witnesses; here, we see the
three earthly witnesses, six witnesses, yea seven with John’s record, a
perfect sevenfold witness. Jesus came in the flesh by WATER and BLOOD
(virgin birth), and He went by WATER and BLOOD (the crucifixion) It seems
hardly necessary to crusade for comparing scripture with scripture in these
blood and water passages. The connection is readily apparent. At least,
Augustus Toplady in his song, “Rock of Ages” saw the connection and the
double cure of salvation and sanctification. The water is not to be
foolishly interpreted as baptism. The water is pure water, the purest of
water, and the explanation is spiritual, not medical! Jews, everywhere,
are called on to view the fulfilling of the Old Testa­ment shedding of
blood and also the washings with water. Jesus Christ came by water and blood.


TO WHAT DO THEY WITNESS?

             Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth
that Jesus is the Son of God? This is he that came by water and blood, even
Jesus Christ . . . If we receive the witness of men, the witness of God
is greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his
Son . . . And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life,
and this life is in his Son . . . These things have I written unto you
that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye may believe on the
Son of God.    --1 John 5:5, 9, 11, 13

             The Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost in heaven; the blood
and water and Jesus’ Spirit, which He commended to the Father, while on
earth, and John’s records (both of them) all bare record to the Son of God
and the complete salvation that is in His ONE offering FOR EVER. That one
offering being pre-pictured and prophesied throughout the Old Testament.
These seven witnesses all agree with John’s record, even the word of God.
Who but a Bible Corrector could or would object to that!
                                                                             

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EVIDENCE TO 1 JOHN 5:7 (MORE THAN 2 MANUSCRIPTS?)

1) Old Latin Bible (second century)

2) 157 Italic Bible

3) 170 - Old Syriac version

4) 200 - Tertullian quotes the verse (Gill, “An exposition of the NT,” Vol
2, pp. 907-8)

5) 250 - Cyprian, who writes, “And again concerning the Father and the Son
and the Holy Spirit it is written: ‘and the Three are One”* (Vienna, vol.
iii, p. 215)

6) 350 - Priscillian cites the verse (Vienna, vol. xviii, p. 6)

7) 350 - Idacius Clams cites the verse (MPL, vol. 62, col. 359)

8) 350 - Athanasius cites the verse (Gill)

9) 380 Varimaden

10) 415 - Council of Carthage appeals to the verse as a basic text proving
a fundamental doctrine when contending with the Arians (Ruckman, “History
of the NT Church,” Vol.        I, p. 146)

11) 435 Cassian

12) AD 427 - The Speculem, Ms m, a treatise containing an Old Latin text
arranged by topic

13) 450-530 - several orthodox African writers quote the verse when
defending the doctrine of the Trinity against the gainsaying of the
Vandals. These writers are:

             A) Vigilius Tapensis (AD 490, MPL, vol. 62, col. 243)

             B) Victor Vitensis (Vienna, vol. vii, p. 60)

             C) Fulgentius (MPL, vol. 65, col. 500)

             D. Eugenius, Bishop of Carthage, confession of faith (AD 484)

14) 500 - Cassiodorus cites the verse (MPL, vol. 70, col. 1373)

16) 550 - Old Latin ms r has the verse

16) 550 - The “Speculum” contains the verse

17) 750 - Wianburgensis cites the verse

18) 800 and on - Jerome*s Vulgate includes the verse

19) 1150 - minuscule ms 88 in the margin, Codex Ravianus

20) 1200-1400 - Waldensian Bibles have the verse

21) 1500 - ms 6l has the verse

22) various witnesses cited in Nestle’s 26th edition for a replacement of
the text as it stands with the Comma: 221 v.1.

23) 18 vg[cl]; 629; 61; 429 v.1.; 634; 635 margin; 636 v.1. margin; 918;
Omega 110; Ms 1; and other important Latin mss.

24) Lectionaries 60,
173


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<font size=3><b>THE SEVENFOLD WITNESS OF JOHN<br>
<br>
By Herb Evans<br>
<br>
            For
there are three that bare record in heaven the <i>FATHER</i>, the
<i>WORD</i>, and the <i>HOLY GHOST</i>: and these three are one. And
there are three that bare witness in earth, the <i>SPIRIT</i>, and the
<i>WATER</i>, and the <i>BLOOD</i>: and these three agree in one. 
-- 1 John 5:7, 8<br>
<br>
           
Jehovah’s Witnesses (Rusellites) and other modern day Arians and
Sabellians are quick to deny the authority and truth of 1 John 5:7 as did
there more ancient counterparts, the Nicolaitanes and Cerinthians.
Fundamentalists are now joining such a company. Yes, even Scofield did
say in his margin, “It is generally agreed that v.7 has no real
authority, and has been inserted.” (It was a J.W. that first reminded us
of this many years ago.) Fortunately, we have learned a long time ago to
listen for the hiss of the serpent in expressions like, “It is generally
agreed” or “the consensus of the scholars.” Agreed to by who? Who do you
consider to be a real authority? Quite frankly, we could care less
whether Scofield, Wescott & Hort, Sumner, Kutilek, and the Biblical
Evangelist say. They are agreeing on everything, including a Bible
believer’s divorce and their dislike for this passage. We certainly
question whether they are <i>REAL</i> authorities. After all, wasn’t
Scofield divorced? Consistency, Brother!  <br>
  <br>
<br>
THE HEAVENLY WITNESSES<br>
   <br>
            When
Bible believers make a stink about the blood taken being out of the ASV
and other corrupt bibles (Col. 1:14), they are expected to be soothed by
the fact that there are still other places in the Bible, where the blood
can be found. Well, why should the same crowd be upset at a Trinitarian
concept of Father, Word, and Holy Ghost which are taught in other places
of the word of God? Nice, fair, consistent crowd they are!<br>
<br>
            When
Bible believers heap praise on the Authorized Version, they are quickly
assailed with, “Erasmus was a Catholic, when he did not use the
underlying Greek manuscripts,  and so forth. However, regarding 1
John 5:7, the same bunch tells us that Erasmus didn’t think that verse
should be included. Was he not still a Catholic? Nice, fair, consistent
bunch!<br>
<br>
            When
Bible believers contend for preservation and the Authorized Version only
position, they are bombarded with the rules of Greek and Hebrew syntax,
genders and all. The same Bible of the month club refuses to explain why
the Greek masculine article, numeral, and participle do not match the
neuter Spirit, blood, and water when the unauthoritive (socalled) verse
seven <i>IS EXCLUDED</i>! Nice, fair, consistent Bible of the month
club!<br>
<br>
            When
Bible believers are criticized for only having two Greek manuscripts*
extant to support 1 John 5:7 (actually, there are a dozen or more), they
are ignored.  When they respond with a list of the Best Rendering
group’s renderings without support from <i>ANY</i> manuscript, they are
also ignored.  A case in point is Romans 8:28, “the Holy Spirit
himself.” Why doesn’t this group explain why the Greek gender for “Holy
Spirit” and “itself” are neuter as they insist that it should be, “the
Holy Spirit <i>HIMSELF</i>?” Nice, fair, consistent group!<br>
<br>
            When
Bible believers believe 1 John 5:7, their critics boast of the antiquity
of their corrupt manuscripts, which do not contain it (you know, the
oldest and best manuscript trick). However, the same outfit ignores the
antiquity of the ancient writers and commentators who do refer to the
passage, ignoring also the antiquity of the Old Latin manuscripts
translated from the Greek. Nice, fair, consistent outfit! *<br>
<br>
           
*<i>Note: Manuscript evidence at the end of this article<br>
</i> <br>
<br>
THE EARTHLY WITNESSES     <br>
<br>
             
This is he that <i>CAME BY WATER and BLOOD</i>, even Jesus Christ; not by
water only, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit that beareth
witness, because the Spirit is truth. -- 1 John 5:6<br>
<br>
            For by
one offering he hath perfected forever them that are sanctified. Whereof
the Holy Ghost also is a witness to us . . .Let us draw near with a true
heart in full assurance of faith, having our hearts sprinkled (blood-Heb.
9:14), and our bodies washed with<i> PURE WATER</i>.  --Hebrews
10:14, 15, 22  <br>
<br>
            But
one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came
there out <i>BLOOD and WATER</i>. And he that saw it <i>BARE RECORD</i>
and his record is true: and he knoweth that he saith true, that ye might
believe.  --John 19:34,35<br>
<br>
            Rock
of Ages, cleft for me, Let me hide myself in Thee;<br>
<br>
            Let
the water and the blood, From thy wounded side which flowed,<br>
<br>
            Be of
sin the double cure, Save from wrath and make me pure.<br>
<br>
           
--Augustus M. Toplady<br>
<br>
            We
have seen the three heavenly witnesses; here, we see the three earthly
witnesses, six witnesses, yea seven with John’s record, a perfect
sevenfold witness. Jesus came in the flesh by <i>WATER and BLOOD</i>
(virgin birth), and He went by <i>WATER and BLOOD </i>(the crucifixion)
It seems hardly necessary to crusade for comparing scripture with
scripture in these blood and water passages. The connection is readily
apparent. At least, Augustus Toplady in his song, “Rock of Ages” saw the
connection and the double cure of salvation and sanctification. The water
is not to be foolishly interpreted as baptism. The water is pure water,
the purest of water, and the explanation is spiritual, not medical!
Jews,  everywhere, are called on to view the fulfilling of the Old
Testa­ment shedding of blood and also the washings with water. Jesus
Christ came by water and blood.<br>
     <br>
<br>
TO WHAT DO THEY WITNESS?<br>
      <br>
            Who is
he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son
of God? This is he that came by water and blood, even Jesus Christ 
. . . If we receive the witness of men, the witness  of God is
greater: for this is the witness of God which he hath testified of his
Son  . . .  And this is the record, that God hath given to us
eternal life, and this life is in his Son  . . . These things have I
written unto you that ye may know that ye have eternal life, and that ye
may believe on the Son of God.    --1 John 5:5, 9, 11,
13<br>
<br>
            The
Father, the Word, and the Holy Ghost in heaven; the blood and water and
Jesus’ Spirit, which He commended to the Father, while on earth, and
John’s records (both of them) all bare record to the Son of God and the
complete salvation that is in His <i>ONE</i> offering <i>FOR EVER</i>.
That one offering being pre-pictured and prophesied throughout the Old
Testament. These seven witnesses all agree with John’s record, even the
word of God. Who but a Bible Corrector could or would object to
that!<br>
                                                                                                   
<br>
-------<br>
 <br>
EVIDENCE TO 1 JOHN 5:7 (MORE THAN 2 MANUSCRIPTS?)<br>
 <br>
1) Old Latin Bible (second century)<br>
<br>
2) 157 Italic Bible<br>
<br>
3) 170 - Old Syriac version<br>
<br>
4) 200 - Tertullian quotes the verse (Gill, “An exposition of the NT,”
Vol 2,  pp. 907-8)<br>
<br>
5) 250 - Cyprian, who writes, “And again concerning the Father and the
Son and the Holy Spirit it is written: ‘and the Three are One”* (Vienna,
vol. iii, p. 215)<br>
<br>
6) 350 - Priscillian cites the verse (Vienna, vol. xviii, p. 6)<br>
<br>
7) 350 - Idacius Clams cites the verse (MPL, vol. 62, col. 359)<br>
<br>
8) 350 - Athanasius cites the verse (Gill)<br>
<br>
9) 380 Varimaden<br>
<br>
10)<i> </i>415<i> </i>- Council of Carthage appeals to the verse as a
basic text proving a fundamental doctrine when contending with the Arians
(Ruckman, “History of the NT Church,”
Vol.        I, p. 146)<br>
<br>
11) 435 Cassian<br>
<br>
12) AD 427 - The Speculem, Ms m, a treatise containing an Old Latin text
arranged by topic<br>
<br>
13) 450-530 - several orthodox African writers quote the verse when
defending the doctrine of the Trinity against the gainsaying of the
Vandals. These writers are:<br>
<br>
            A)
Vigilius Tapensis (AD 490, MPL, vol. 62, col. 243)<br>
<br>
            B)
Victor Vitensis (Vienna, vol. vii, p. 60)<br>
<br>
            C)
Fulgentius (MPL, vol. 65,<i> </i>col. 500)<br>
<br>
            D.
Eugenius, Bishop of Carthage, confession of faith (AD 484)<br>
<br>
14) 500 - Cassiodorus cites the verse (MPL, vol. 70, col. 1373)<br>
<br>
16) 550 - Old Latin ms  r  has the verse<br>
<br>
16)<i> </i>550<i> </i>- The “Speculum” contains the verse<br>
<br>
17) 750 - Wianburgensis cites the verse<br>
<br>
18) 800 and on - Jerome*s Vulgate includes the verse<br>
<br>
19) 1150 - minuscule ms 88 in the margin, Codex Ravianus<br>
<br>
20) 1200-1400 - Waldensian Bibles have the verse<br>
<br>
21)<i> </i>1500 - ms 6l has the verse<br>
<br>
22) various witnesses cited in Nestle’s 26th edition for a replacement of
the text as it stands with the Comma: 221 v.1.<br>
<br>
23) 18 vg[cl]; 629; 61; 429 v.1.; 634; 635 margin; 636 v.1. margin; 918;
Omega 110; Ms 1;  and other important Latin mss.<br>
<br>
24) Lectionaries 60,
173                                                                                          
<br>
<br>
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