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[Apostasy] Seminar Suzies
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SEMINAR SUZIES
. . . one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos;
are ye not carnal? Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos [I am of Phebe, but
who is Phebe?] . . . --1 Cor. 3:4, 5
Quit ye LIKE MEN . . . your women . . . are
commanded to be UNDER OBEDIENCE . . . if they will
learn, anything, LET THEM ASK their HUSBANDS at home . . . -- 1
Cor. 14:34,35.
We do not categorically condemn all seminars. However, in an
age of role reversal, ecumenicity, do-anything-for-filthy-lucre, an age in
which the local church and its pastor are minimized, while personalities
and man-made organizations are elevated beyond their worth; one in which
you have to put on a show in order to entertain Christians, we should
certainly question the wisdom of supporting or participating in
women-managed, fee-paid, or personality-oriented, ecumenical seminars. Such
extra-scriptural exercises contribute to the breaking down of personal and
ecclesiastical separation, to the dividing and feminizing our churches, and
they often end up in scandal as one very popular seminar circuit did.
Pastors who are not so eloquent or captivating often find themselves
opposed by "Seminar Sams" and "Seminar Suzies," who will defend their
Apollos and their Phebe to the bitter end. Such is the unwavering loyalty
that is somehow instilled in many seminar participants. The misadjusted,
scriptural admonition, "Quit ye LIKE WOMEN” is fast becoming the MISTAKEN
watchword of Christian feminists even in independent Baptist churches.
Seminar Sams/ Suzies Defend Apollos and Phebe to the Bitter End
I once visited a large independent Baptist church in Ohio
which employed a song "leader-ESS." As I watched her in her little gray
"ERA" suit lead the choir; I thought to myself, surely she is going to sit
down after she has finished usurping authority over a partially male adult
choir. To my surprise, she turned around and motioned for the congregation
to rise for the first congregational hymn! Needless to say, I was out the
door before she could finish the first stanza. Outside, I mentally
apologized to the Southern Baptist churches who were criticized by our
independent, Fundamental, Bible-Believing, premillennial, Baptist churches
and periodicals because of women preachers and deaconesses.
Liberation Versus Consecration
. . .they learn to be idle, wandering about from house to
house [and seminar to seminar]; and not only idle, but tattlers also and
busybodies, speaking things which they ought not. -- 1 Tim. 5:13.
. . .if she have brought up children, if she have lodged
strangers, if she have washed the Saint’s feet, if she hath relieved the
afflicted, if she have diligently followed every good work. --1 Tim. 5:10
Idleness, boredom, and the propensity to wander about and be
busybodies were problems for young widows. Today, with the advent of modern
conveniences, married women are having the same problems. It would seem
that the duties of a Christian wife in taking care of her husband,
children, and home, in addition to being a hostess, preparing food for
special meetings, tending to the nursery, training small children and
fulfilling the needs of the sick, handicapped, and elderly would occupy all
the time of most women. Yet, alas, such menial and subordinate tasks are
no longer appealing to the fairer sex. Why? Because they have heard the
FEMINIST message. "Compete!" "Excel!" "Achieve!" "Have your say!" "Be an
economic, political, and RELIGIOUS equal.”
If the woman would operate within the scriptural framework
when it comes to her duties and contributions, she, her husband, her
children, and all Christendom would have benefitted by her feminine charm,
grace, qualities, and influence. Perish the thought that Suzanna Wesley
would have been a "Seminar Suzie!”
Doing What Comes Naturally
The woman . . . she gave me of the tree, and I did
eat. --Gen. 3:12
A former pastor of mine, a wise young man, surmised that
despite how well women's seminars begin, they ultimately degenerate into
symposiums on "How to Manipulate Your Husbands." The seminar, of course, is
the forerunner of Christian Women's magazines. Several years ago, one such
magazine ran an article "For Men Only." Now, what would men be doing
reading a woman’s magazine? (Unless, of course, his wife learned all his
faults and failures from the magazine and placed the article in front of
his nose so that he could be instructed by another female who is not
supposed to teach or usurp authority over a man!)
Now, since the ability to manipulate a man is inherent in a
woman's make-up ever since "Eve" (ERA: Eve-Ruined-Adam), it seems
incredible that a man would knowingly finance a seminar trip and risk the
chance of his wife's becoming more proficient in what already comes so
naturally (manipulation) and also have his right to teach his own wife
usurped. The ability to manipulate a man is inherent in a woman's makeup.
She has to suppress that abilitynot encourage it.
Oh, but some "Seminar Suzies" teach that women are to obey
their husbands. Yes, some even teach that if your unsaved husband wants you
to go into a bar and to drink and to dance and to listen to dirty jokes,
you should do as he insists. We can imagine all kinds of horror stories
(including incest) that can result from such Bill Gothard
“chain-of-command” foolishness.
What about single women, widows, and women with unsaved
husbands? What shall they do without husbands from whom to learn? If they
have Christian fathers, they can learn from them. They can learn from their
own pastor's preaching and teaching. They can learn the non doctrinal,
moral, feminine qualities from the aged women in their own church (Titus
2:5). Actually, they are to find them a man and to marry. Then they should
bear children, guide the house, learn to love their own husbands and
children, and be keepers at home (Titus 2:4,5). Unsaved husbands are to be
won to Christ by the wife's being in subjection to them (in the Lord)
according to 1 Peter 3:1.
We Need Men
The practice of substitutmg seminars, plays, and all-night
sings for old-fashioned sin-condemning preaching and revival meetings; the
practice of women not being under obedience, not learning in SILENCE with
all subjection, NOT asking their husbands at home; the practice of women
usurping authority over and teaching the man (1 Tim. 2:11,12 and 1 Cor.
14:34-35) and the practice of men not executing (Quit ye) themselves like
men, have greatly reduced our effectiveness in reaching the rugged,
rough-and-tumble, hardened sinners of our age and has filled our churches
with a host of henpecked sissies and woosts, who are content in having the
ladies run the show. Real men will naturally gravitate to things that are
rough, tough, and masculine, not to that which is feminine and wishy-washy.
If you doubt the truth of this, go to a football, hockey, or boxing event.
A casual look around our churches will lead to the inescapable conclusion
that what we need are some men; we don't need seminar Suzies!
--by Herbert Evans
Biblical Editor - Summer 1989, p. 12
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. . .
one saith, I am of Paul; and another, I am of Apollos; are ye not carnal?
Who then is Paul, and who is Apollos [I am of Phebe, but who is Phebe?] .
. . --1 Cor. 3:4, 5<br>
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Quit
ye <i>LIKE MEN</i> . . . your women . . . are commanded
to be<i> UNDER OBEDIENCE</i> . . . if they will learn,
anything, <i>LET THEM ASK their</i> <i>HUSBANDS</i> at home . .
. -- 1 Cor. 14:34,35.<br>
<br>
We do
not categorically condemn all seminars. However, in an age of role
reversal, ecumenicity, do-anything-for-filthy-lucre, an age in which the
local church and its pastor are minimized, while personalities and
man-made organizations are elevated beyond their worth; one in which you
have to put on a show in order to entertain Christians, we should
certainly question the wisdom of supporting or participating in
women-managed, fee-paid, or personality-oriented, ecumenical seminars.
Such extra-scriptural exercises contribute to the breaking down of
personal and ecclesiastical separation, to the dividing and feminizing
our churches, and they often end up in scandal as one very popular
seminar circuit did. Pastors who are not so eloquent or captivating often
find themselves opposed by "Seminar Sams" and "Seminar
Suzies," who will defend their Apollos and their Phebe to the bitter
end. Such is the unwavering loyalty that is somehow instilled in many
seminar participants. The misadjusted, scriptural admonition, "Quit
ye <i>LIKE WOMEN</i>” is fast becoming the <i>MISTAKEN
</i>watchword of Christian feminists even in independent Baptist
churches.<br>
<div align="center">Seminar Sams/ Suzies Defend Apollos and Phebe to the
Bitter End<br>
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<br>
I once
visited a large independent Baptist church in Ohio which employed a song
"leader-<i>ESS</i>." As I watched her in her little gray
"<i>ERA</i>" suit lead the choir; I thought to myself, surely
she is going to sit down after she has finished usurping authority over a
partially male adult choir. To my surprise, she turned around and
motioned for the congregation to rise for the first congregational hymn!
Needless to say, I was out the door before she could finish the first
stanza. Outside, I mentally apologized to the Southern Baptist churches
who were criticized by our independent, Fundamental, Bible-Believing,
premillennial, Baptist churches and periodicals because of women
preachers and deaconesses.<br>
<br>
<div align="center">Liberation Versus Consecration<br>
</div>
<br>
. .
.they learn to be idle, wandering about from house to house [and seminar
to seminar]; and not only idle, but tattlers also and busybodies,
speaking things which they ought not. -- 1 Tim. 5:13.<br>
<br>
. .
.if she have brought up children, if she have lodged strangers, if she
have washed the Saint’s feet, if she hath relieved the afflicted, if she
have diligently followed every good work. --1 Tim. 5:10<br>
<br>
Idleness, boredom, and the propensity to wander about and be busybodies
were problems for young widows. Today, with the advent of modern
conveniences, married women are having the same problems. It would seem
that the duties of a Christian wife in taking care of her husband,
children, and home, in addition to being a hostess, preparing food for
special meetings, tending to the nursery, training small children and
fulfilling the needs of the sick, handicapped, and elderly would occupy
all the time of most women. Yet, alas, such menial and subordinate
tasks are no longer appealing to the fairer sex. Why? Because they
have heard the<i> FEMINIST</i> message. "Compete!"
"Excel!" "Achieve!" "Have your say!"
"Be an economic, political, and <i>RELIGIOUS </i>equal.”<br>
<br>
If the
woman would operate within the scriptural framework when it comes to her
duties and contributions, she, her husband, her children, and all
Christendom would have benefitted by her feminine charm, grace,
qualities, and influence. Perish the thought that Suzanna Wesley would
have been a "Seminar Suzie!” <br>
<div align="center">Doing What Comes Naturally<br>
</div>
<br>
The
woman . . . she gave me of the tree, and I did eat. --Gen.
3:12<br>
<br>
A
former pastor of mine, a wise young man, surmised that despite how well
women's seminars begin, they ultimately degenerate into symposiums on
"How to Manipulate Your Husbands." The seminar, of course, is
the forerunner of Christian Women's magazines. Several years ago, one
such magazine ran an article <i>"For Men Only." </i>Now, what
would men be doing reading a woman’s magazine? (Unless, of course, his
wife learned all his faults and failures from the magazine and placed the
article in front of his nose so that he could be instructed by another
female who is not supposed to teach or usurp authority over a man!)<br>
Now,
since the ability to manipulate a man is inherent in a woman's make-up
ever since "Eve" (ERA: Eve-Ruined-Adam), it seems incredible
that a man would knowingly finance a seminar trip and risk the chance of
his wife's becoming more proficient in what already comes so naturally
(manipulation) and also have his right to teach his own wife usurped. The
ability to manipulate a man is inherent in a woman's makeup. She has to
suppress that abilitynot encourage it.<br>
Oh,
but some "Seminar Suzies" teach that women are to obey their
husbands. Yes, some even teach that if your unsaved husband wants you to
go into a bar and to drink and to dance and to listen to dirty jokes, you
should do as he insists. We can imagine all kinds of horror stories
(including incest) that can result from such Bill Gothard
“chain-of-command”<i> </i>foolishness.<br>
What
about single women, widows, and women with unsaved husbands? What
shall they do without husbands from whom to learn? If they have Christian
fathers, they can learn from them. They can learn from their own pastor's
preaching and teaching. They can learn the non doctrinal, moral, feminine
qualities from the aged women in their own church (Titus 2:5). Actually,
they are to find them a man and to marry. Then they should bear children,
guide the house, learn to love their own husbands and children, and be
keepers at home (Titus 2:4,5). Unsaved husbands are to be won to Christ
by the wife's being in subjection to them (in the Lord) according to 1
Peter 3:1.<br>
<br>
<div align="center">We Need Men<br>
</div>
<br>
The
practice of substitutmg seminars, plays, and all-night sings for
old-fashioned sin-condemning preaching and revival meetings; the practice
of women <i>not </i>being under obedience, <i>not </i>learning in
<i>SILENCE</i> with all subjection, <i>NOT </i>asking their husbands at
home; the practice of women usurping authority over and teaching the man
(1 Tim. 2:11,12 and 1 Cor. 14:34-35<i>) </i>and the practice of men not
executing (Quit ye) themselves like men, have greatly reduced our
effectiveness in reaching the rugged, rough-and-tumble, hardened sinners
of our age and has filled our churches with a host of henpecked sissies
and woosts, who are content in having the ladies run the show. Real men
will naturally gravitate to things that are rough, tough, and masculine,
not to that which is feminine and wishy-washy. If you doubt the truth of
this, go to a football, hockey, or boxing event. A casual look around our
churches will lead to the inescapable conclusion that what we need are
some men; we don't need seminar Suzies! <br>
<br>
--by Herbert Evans<br>
<br>
Biblical Editor - Summer 1989, p. 12<br><br>
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