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[Invisible Church] Evans/Nachimson Debate
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PART THREE
THE END OF YOUR SEARCH FOR AN IMAGINARY CHURCH
(Jeffery Nachimson’s last letter annotated)
[TO] Herb Evans from Jeffrey Nachimson 5/2/97
Thank you for your letter dated 4/26. Once again, several
notable errors need to be corrected. I appreciate your “easy reference”
format, but I’m not going to waste my type reprinting your letter. You have
a copy, I’m sure. I’ll stick to my agreement and answer your “questions”
and “letters.”
First of all, we’re not having a contest (“We are even.”).
You’ve had ample opportunity to clarify what you are, and what you are not.
So because of my supposed “not knowing what that meaneth,” I have a little
something for you. Here is a quote from, The Apr/May/June 97, pg. 14 from
Pastor ______ on “Proofs The Baptist Church Existed Before Pentecost.” Here
is the reason number 4 in its Entirety! . . . [Jeff quotes pastorHerb
Evans] . . . Now that sounds like “a local church only” to me, and it is a
Baptist Bride. Go figure, bright eyes. I’m asking you to please correct me
if I’m wrong. You haven’t yet. – Jeffrey Nachimson
Jeff, who are you kidding? You were trying to get up a “HARD
BALL” contest from your beginning letter! If you have a bone to pick with
the pastor or periodical, which you quoted, pick it with them and NOT ME. I
don’t know the man. Read my lips! I told you that we were going to quote
Bible and NOT MEN; you have voided already our agreement and the
correspondence by violating all three rules for Correspondence with me. You
have quoted extra-biblical sources; you have called me names (“Bright eyes,
Herbie Poo, DoDo, conceited ass, Big Mouth, Jack ass, Dumb ass, hypocrite,
and biblically illiterate”). Playing the smart aleck, you have not answered
all my questions. The questions, which you have addressed you’ve addressed
with sermonizing and philosophizing, rather than with brief, crisp answers.
I have annotated your letter and this will be the end of it. You have
defaulted! I know that you will understand, because you play “HARDBALL.”
--Herb Evans
I. I Peter 2:5 (OR JEFFREY’S SERMON TO HERB EVANS)
Concerning the notion that you “contend” for, that is the
spiritual house of I Pet. 2:5 being the local church, you overlooked the
following:
God has prepared a golden city (Rev. 21:18) prepared for
someone; it has a street of Gold This city must be Organic, for it is
called “the Lambs wife” (Rev. 21:9). Jesus Christ is married to a city, his
Bride (Eph. 5). This bride is a woman, a chaste virgin (II Cor. 11:2;
Eph.5). Satan has a bride who is a woman, which is a city (Rev. 17:1-5,1
8). A city can be a “mother” in Israel (II Sam 20:19).
This new Jerusalem in heaven now (Rev. 21) is said to be the
“mother of us all.” -- Don’t play John Calvin now. [Gal. 4:26 - a reference
to all Christians, who are children of the free, not just a local assembly
(Gal. 4:21-23)]. This city is the bride (Rev. 21:9), the bride is the
church (Eph. 5; II Cor. 11:2), and the church is his body, “the fulness of
him that filleth all in all.’ (you missed that one!).
This bride is a chaste female virgin, that will be presented a
“glorious church” (Eph. 5:27 - all things (II Cor. 5; 1 Cor. 3) will be
ironed out” at the judgement seat - Rom. 14:10), when all Christians
receive a “Glorified” sinless male body, just like Jesus Christ (Phil 3:21;
Rom. 8:29; I John 3:1-3, etc.) A female bride, who is a city, that receives
a sinless Male Body!
Simon Peter says that not only is Jesus Christ a “living
stone” (I Cor. 10:1-4, but every Christian is also a living stone (I Pet.
2:5) who is part of a Building (Eph. 2:19:19-21). as well as Jesus Christ’s
Body (Eph. 5). It’s a golden City. We are GOLDSTONES! These are “begotten”
by a Rock (Deut. 32:18). Here are these “lively stones” (I Pet. 2:5; Eph
2:19-21). They are organic – inorganic objects like the wheels in Ezekiel
1:20,21 that contained “the spirit” of the Living creature (Ezek. 28).
Satan could speak musically (Job 38:7). So can God (Rev. 4:1-2), and He
will (1 Cor. 15:52: “the trump of God,” not an angel). What can we make of
all this? New Jerusalem is a growing city; it is “Organic.” – Jeffrey Nachimson
I thought the “Gold Stones” were a singing Group. Okay, We are
gold bricks (some more so than others), continue. Shucks, you got me there,
I don’t know what to make of this “part of the body” and “part of the
building” stuff (never seen it in scripture). I never knew that there was
an “ORGANIC,” INORGANIC ORGANISM. Wow! – Herb Evans
Somehow it corresponds to the “living stones” which are added
to it through the centuries. That is why it is identified as an organism:
The “Lamb’s Wife.” (Rev. 21:9). This wife is, “all glorious within” for her
“clothing” is of wrought Gold (Psalm 45:9,13), but her other “clothing” is
called fine “linen” (Rev. 19:8). This bride will be “as the wings of a Dove
covered with silver, and her Feathers with YELLOW GOLD (Ps. 68:13). Quite a
strange looking “Dove!” But the ‘Dove” is Jesus Christ’s Bride in the Song
of Solomon (Song of Sol. 5:2). Sol 6:9). She is the Church (Eph. 5). Hence
the new body (the “glorified body”) is connected with what the Book calls
“fine” gold and “pure gold,” just like the Original Creation (Gen. 2:72:11-
12; Job 28:6). –Jeffrey Nachimson
I have never read anything so fantastic. A golden bird city
with feathers! Apart from your church members, who in the world believes
this science fiction? You have taken every figurative emblem, regarding
Christ and the church and given them physical substance, rather than allow
them to remain figurative emblems. Well, no, not every emblem. You don’t
say that Christ is a physical, organic door or that we are organic sheep of
his organic flock. In time, you may, perhaps? – Herb Evans
II. THE HEAD OF THE CHURCH
Now look at Ephesians 2:14-22. In – (locative - location
that’s the position) this passage is once again the most scripturally
propagated truth that the Jew and Gentile are one body in this present age.
Christ has broken down the wall (vs. 14), he did BY HIS CRUCIFIXION (vs.
15). This body is made IN HIMSELF! (vs. 15 - “the new man” - that’s him).
Verse 16 again recapitulates the truth in the previous verse, by stating
Christ reconciles both Jew and Gentile unto God in ONE BODY(There’s only
One), by the Cross. This would seem to indicate that Christ’s Body
ORIGINATED AT HIS DEATH, OR AT LEAST WAS MADE POSSIBLE. In verse 18, the
same Jew and Gentile in Christ in verse 15 have access to God by ONE SPIRIT
(Interesting wording - 1 Cor. 12:13, which every Christian has (Rom. 8:9;
Gal. 3:14; Eph. 1:13-14; Heb.10:19). Did you forget to see that we “. . .
have all been made to drink into One Spirit” (I Cor. 12:13 - Nobody seems
to comment on that part of the verse, just the top half (II Pet. 1:21).
The same Gentiles in this Body (vs. 14-18), ARE NO MORE
STRANGERS (vs. 19), and FOREIGNERS (vs. 14), but FELLOWCITIZENS WITH THE
SAINTS [catch this –Herb Evans], AND OF THE HOUSEHOLD OF GOD. (vs. 19) - I
TIM. 3:15). This building is FITLY FRAMED TOGETHER (vs. 21 - see Eph.
2:10), Groweth (vs. 21 - ORGANIC), UNTO AN HOLY TEMPLE (vs. 21 Ah! - I Cor.
3:16-17; 6:19-20) IN THE LORD (Ah! - vs. 14, 15, 16). Vs. 22 - “In Whom
(Pauline reference for Christ - 1:7, 11, 13; Gal.1:14; 2:11, etc. . . . )
Ye are builded together FOR AN HABITATION OF GOD, THROUGH THE SPIRIT.” This
is not only done in Christ, but has a direct reference to the individual
Christian (vs. 13, 21, 22)! Amen and Amen. Glory! And bless my soul Paul
begins Eph. 3, FOR THIS CAUSE, READ YOUR BIBLE! And if nothing else,
Peter’s reference in I Peter 2:5 was to the “STRANGERS SCATTERED THROUGHOUT
(sic) multiple localities. – Jeffrey Nachimson
First Peter is a circular church letter to the persecuted,
SCATTERED STRANGERS; Local churches received these letters. The epistle was
certainly not mailed to individual, scattered Christians. –Herb Evans
Christ is the head [SINGULAR – Herb Evans] of the local
churches [PLURAL – Herb Evans] because a local church is supposed to be the
“body of Christ” in a specific locality to serve and carry out the will of
God. You and I are both in the body of Christ.
–Jeffrey Nachimson
(YOU INSISTED) (6.) That Christ was the Head of the church
(SINGULAR), in order to obviate my view of Christ being the Head of EACH
church (MANY), pointing out the parallel, ONE husband (SINGULAR) for EACH
wife (SINGULAR), which is the gist of Eph. 5:23-25. Then you turn around
and use a SINGULAR/PLURAL MISMATCH here. Consistency is not your best
suit. – Herb Evans
You are “in Christ” in Pennsylvania, I’m “in Christ” in
Bethany, OK. Here the word relinquishes its meaning - The LOCAL CHURCH -
The LOCALITY OF THE CHURCH. (I Cor. 1:2; 1 Thess. 1:1; Philemon 2). Christ
is the head of the local “body” because the local “bodies are in Him” (Rom.
12:5; I Cor. 12:12; I Thess. 2:14) and he is the Head of “The Body” (Eph.
5). There is only ONE BODY(Eph. 4:4), made by ONE SPIRIT (I Cor. 12:13,
Eph. 2:18), by ONE BAPTISM (Eph. 4:5), ordained by ONE LORD (Eph. 4:5), by
ONE FAITH (Eph. 4:5). – Jeffrey Nachimson
Yeah! Ahuh! Except, we do not agree on what “IN CHRIST” means.
You agreed to a local body! And that Christ is the Head of these local
bodies. Yet, Christ is the Head of EACH local body/church. Local
bodies–PLURAL? There goes your ONE body. ONE Baptism? There goes your ONE
baptism for this church age. – Herb Evans
The people in this body are “gathered together” at different
localities to soul-win, fellowship, edify, and pray (Acts 2; I Cor. 11;
Acts 5-6). These local assemblies [LOCAL BODIES? – Herb Evans] baptized
their converts to picture “the Spirit baptism” that put them into Jesus
Christ (1 Pet. 3:21; Gal. 3:27; Rom. 6:1-6) - That’s the meaning of the
passage, bud. Wi’ll (sic) discuss further later.) The local church has
pastors, bishops, or elders to oversee and feed the flock FOR THE chief
Shepard (sic) (Ah, Ha I Pet. 5:1-3). –Jeffery Nachimson
What happened to the ONE baptism or did they baptize
spiritually or mystically? I can’t find any instructions in any of your
proof texts to either baptize to “PICTURE” either Spirit or mystical
baptism. Did you make that up?Herb Evans
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[TO] Herb Evans from Jeffrey Nachimson 5/2/97<br><br>
<br><br>
Thank
you for your letter dated 4/26. Once again, several notable errors need
to be corrected. I appreciate your “easy reference” format, but I’m not
going to waste my type reprinting your letter. You have a copy, I’m sure.
I’ll stick to my agreement and answer your “questions” and
“letters.”<br><br>
<br><br>
First
of all, we’re not having a contest (“We are even.”). You’ve had ample
opportunity to clarify what you are, and what you are not. So because of
my supposed “not knowing what that meaneth,” I have a little something
for you. Here is a quote from, The Apr/May/June 97, pg. 14 from Pastor
______ on “Proofs The Baptist Church Existed Before Pentecost.” Here is
the reason number 4 in its Entirety! . . . [Jeff quotes pastorHerb
Evans] . . . Now that sounds like “a local church only” to me, and it is
a Baptist Bride. Go figure, bright eyes. I’m asking you to please correct
me if I’m wrong. You haven’t yet. – Jeffrey Nachimson<br><br>
Jeff, who are you kidding? You were trying to get up a “HARD BALL”
contest from your beginning letter! If you have a bone to pick with the
pastor or periodical, which you quoted, pick it with them and NOT ME. I
don’t know the man. Read my lips! I told you that we were going to quote
Bible and NOT MEN; you have voided already our agreement and the
correspondence by violating all three rules for Correspondence with me.
You have quoted extra-biblical sources; you have called me names (“Bright
eyes, Herbie Poo, DoDo, conceited ass, Big Mouth, Jack ass, Dumb
ass, hypocrite, and biblically illiterate”). Playing the smart aleck, you
have not answered all my questions. The questions, which you have
addressed you’ve addressed with sermonizing and philosophizing, rather
than with brief, crisp answers. I have annotated your letter and this
will be the end of it. You have defaulted! I know that you will
understand, because you play “HARDBALL.” --Herb Evans<br><br>
<div align="center">I. I Peter 2:5 (OR JEFFREY’S SERMON TO HERB
EVANS)<br><br>
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<br><br>
Concerning the notion that you “contend” for, that is the spiritual house
of I Pet. 2:5 being the local church, you overlooked the
following:<br><br>
<br><br>
God
has prepared a golden city (Rev. 21:18) prepared for someone; it has a
street of Gold This city must be Organic, for it is called “the Lambs
wife” (Rev. 21:9). Jesus Christ is married to a city, his Bride (Eph. 5).
This bride is a woman, a chaste virgin (II Cor. 11:2; Eph.5). Satan has a
bride who is a woman, which is a city (Rev. 17:1-5,1 8). A city can be a
“mother” in Israel (II Sam 20:19). <br><br>
<br><br>
This
new Jerusalem in heaven now (Rev. 21) is said to be the “mother of us
all.” -- Don’t play John Calvin now. [Gal. 4:26 - a reference to all
Christians, who are children of the free, not just a local assembly (Gal.
4:21-23)]. This city is the bride (Rev. 21:9), the bride is the church
(Eph. 5; II Cor. 11:2), and the church is his body, “the fulness of him
that filleth all in all.’ (you missed that one!). <br><br>
<br><br>
This
bride is a chaste female virgin, that will be presented a “glorious
church” (Eph. 5:27 - all things (II Cor. 5; 1 Cor. 3) will be ironed out”
at the judgement seat - Rom. 14:10), when all Christians receive a
“Glorified” sinless male body, just like Jesus Christ (Phil 3:21; Rom.
8:29; I John 3:1-3, etc.) A female bride, who is a city, that receives a
sinless Male Body! <br><br>
<br><br>
Simon
Peter says that not only is Jesus Christ a “living stone” (I Cor. 10:1-4,
but every Christian is also a living stone (I Pet. 2:5) who is part of a
Building (Eph. 2:19:19-21). as well as Jesus Christ’s Body (Eph. 5). It’s
a golden City. We are GOLDSTONES! These are “begotten” by a Rock (Deut.
32:18). Here are these “lively stones” (I Pet. 2:5; Eph 2:19-21). They
are organic – inorganic objects like the wheels in Ezekiel 1:20,21 that
contained “the spirit” of the Living creature (Ezek. 28). Satan could
speak musically (Job 38:7). So can God (Rev. 4:1-2), and He will (1 Cor.
15:52: “the trump of God,” not an angel). What can we make of all this?
New Jerusalem is a growing city; it is “Organic.” – Jeffrey
Nachimson<br><br>
<br><br>
I
thought the “Gold Stones” were a singing Group. Okay, We are gold bricks
(some more so than others), continue. Shucks, you got me there, I don’t
know what to make of this “part of the body” and “part of the building”
stuff (never seen it in scripture). I never knew that there was an
“ORGANIC,” INORGANIC ORGANISM. Wow! – Herb Evans<br><br>
<br><br>
Somehow it corresponds to the “living stones” which are added to it
through the centuries. That is why it is identified as an organism: The
“Lamb’s Wife.” (Rev. 21:9). This wife is, “all glorious within” for her
“clothing” is of wrought Gold (Psalm 45:9,13), but her other “clothing”
is called fine “linen” (Rev. 19:8). This bride will be “as the wings of a
Dove covered with silver, and her Feathers with YELLOW GOLD (Ps. 68:13).
Quite a strange looking “Dove!” But the ‘Dove” is Jesus Christ’s Bride in
the Song of Solomon (Song of Sol. 5:2). Sol 6:9). She is the Church (Eph.
5). Hence the new body (the “glorified body”) is connected with what the
Book calls “fine” gold and “pure gold,” just like the Original Creation
(Gen. 2:72:11- 12; Job 28:6). –Jeffrey Nachimson<br><br>
I have
never read anything so fantastic. A golden bird city with feathers! Apart
from your church members, who in the world believes this science fiction?
You have taken every figurative emblem, regarding Christ and the church
and given them physical substance, rather than allow them to remain
figurative emblems. Well, no, not every emblem. You don’t say that Christ
is a physical, organic door or that we are organic sheep of his organic
flock. In time, you may, perhaps? – Herb Evans<br><br>
<br><br>
<div align="center">II. THE HEAD OF THE CHURCH <br><br>
</div>
<br><br>
Now
look at Ephesians 2:14-22. In – (locative - location that’s the position)
this passage is once again the most scripturally propagated truth that
the Jew and Gentile are one body in this present age. Christ has broken
down the wall (vs. 14), he did BY HIS CRUCIFIXION (vs. 15). This body is
made IN HIMSELF! (vs. 15 - “the new man” - that’s him). Verse 16 again
recapitulates the truth in the previous verse, by stating Christ
reconciles both Jew and Gentile unto God in ONE BODY(There’s only One),
by the Cross. This would seem to indicate that Christ’s Body ORIGINATED
AT HIS DEATH, OR AT LEAST WAS MADE POSSIBLE. In verse 18, the same Jew
and Gentile in Christ in verse 15 have access to God by ONE SPIRIT
(Interesting wording - 1 Cor. 12:13, which every Christian has (Rom. 8:9;
Gal. 3:14; Eph. 1:13-14; Heb.10:19). Did you forget to see that we “. . .
have all been made to drink into One Spirit” (I Cor. 12:13 - Nobody seems
to comment on that part of the verse, just the top half (II Pet. 1:21).
<br><br>
The
same Gentiles in this Body (vs. 14-18), ARE NO MORE STRANGERS (vs. 19),
and FOREIGNERS (vs. 14), but FELLOWCITIZENS WITH THE SAINTS [catch this
–Herb Evans], AND OF THE HOUSEHOLD OF GOD. (vs. 19) - I TIM. 3:15). This
building is FITLY FRAMED TOGETHER (vs. 21 - see Eph. 2:10), Groweth (vs.
21 - ORGANIC), UNTO AN HOLY TEMPLE (vs. 21 Ah! - I Cor. 3:16-17; 6:19-20)
IN THE LORD (Ah! - vs. 14, 15, 16). Vs. 22 - “In Whom (Pauline reference
for Christ - 1:7, 11, 13; Gal.1:14; 2:11, etc. . . . ) Ye are builded
together FOR AN HABITATION OF GOD, THROUGH THE SPIRIT.” This is not only
done in Christ, but has a direct reference to the individual Christian
(vs. 13, 21, 22)! Amen and Amen. Glory! And bless my soul Paul begins
Eph. 3, FOR THIS CAUSE, READ YOUR BIBLE! And if nothing else, Peter’s
reference in I Peter 2:5 was to the “STRANGERS SCATTERED THROUGHOUT (sic)
multiple localities. – Jeffrey Nachimson<br><br>
<br><br>
First
Peter is a circular church letter to the persecuted, SCATTERED STRANGERS;
Local churches received these letters. The epistle was certainly not
mailed to individual, scattered Christians. –Herb Evans <br><br>
<br><br>
Christ
is the head [SINGULAR – Herb Evans] of the local churches [PLURAL – Herb
Evans] because a local church is supposed to be the “body of Christ” in a
specific locality to serve and carry out the will of God. You and I are
both in the body of Christ. <br><br>
–Jeffrey Nachimson<br><br>
<br><br>
(YOU
INSISTED) (6.) That Christ was the Head of the church (SINGULAR), in
order to obviate my view of Christ being the Head of EACH church (MANY),
pointing out the parallel, ONE husband (SINGULAR) for EACH wife
(SINGULAR), which is the gist of Eph. 5:23-25. Then you turn around and
use a SINGULAR/PLURAL MISMATCH here. Consistency is not your best
suit. – Herb Evans<br><br>
You
are “in Christ” in Pennsylvania, I’m “in Christ” in Bethany, OK. Here the
word relinquishes its meaning - The LOCAL CHURCH - The LOCALITY OF THE
CHURCH. (I Cor. 1:2; 1 Thess. 1:1; Philemon 2). Christ is the head of the
local “body” because the local “bodies are in Him” (Rom. 12:5; I Cor.
12:12; I Thess. 2:14) and he is the Head of “The Body” (Eph. 5). There is
only ONE BODY(Eph. 4:4), made by ONE SPIRIT (I Cor. 12:13, Eph. 2:18), by
ONE BAPTISM (Eph. 4:5), ordained by ONE LORD (Eph. 4:5), by ONE FAITH
(Eph. 4:5). – Jeffrey Nachimson<br><br>
<br><br>
Yeah!
Ahuh! Except, we do not agree on what “IN CHRIST” means. You agreed to a
local body! And that Christ is the Head of these local bodies. Yet,
Christ is the Head of EACH local body/church. Local bodies–PLURAL? There
goes your ONE body. ONE Baptism? There goes your ONE baptism for this
church age. – Herb Evans<br><br>
<br><br>
The
people in this body are “gathered together” at different localities to
soul-win, fellowship, edify, and pray (Acts 2; I Cor. 11; Acts 5-6).
These local assemblies [LOCAL BODIES? – Herb Evans] baptized their
converts to picture “the Spirit baptism” that put them into Jesus Christ
(1 Pet. 3:21; Gal. 3:27; Rom. 6:1-6) - That’s the meaning of the passage,
bud. Wi’ll (sic) discuss further later.) The local church has pastors,
bishops, or elders to oversee and feed the flock FOR THE chief Shepard
(sic) (Ah, Ha I Pet. 5:1-3). –Jeffery Nachimson<br><br>
<br><br>
What
happened to the ONE baptism or did they baptize spiritually or
mystically? I can’t find any instructions in any of your proof texts to
either baptize to “PICTURE” either Spirit or mystical baptism. Did you
make that up?Herb Evans<br><br>
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