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[Invisible Church] Evans/Nachimson Debate
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John Henry
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PART FOUR
THE END OF YOUR SEARCH FOR AN IMAGINARY CHURCH
(Jeffery Nachimson’s last letter annotated)
III. “The mysterious House of God.”
I know some of these questions are “the real marks of a
JACKASS,” but I agreed to answer all of the questions, O.K.? [It might have
been nice if you really would answer the questions, rather than sermonize
and NAME CALL. There are 12 questions on the first page; they are followed
by question marks. – Herb Evans]. Oh yes, no (sic) the cotton picking’ Pope
is not the head of the church. He’s the head of the Satanic one world
church (Acts 19:37 that is “drunken with the blood of the saints (Rev. 17).
Here’s a real dumb question. It’s so irrelevant to the topic
[Now, the pot, who chased rabbits for 8 pages calls the kettle black. –
Herb Evans] that I wonder if I’m wasting my time with you.”[Funny, I have
had the same impression. –Herb Evans]. “Is your mysterious house of God in
heaven?” The epitome of IGNORANCE [Sticks and Stones – Herb Evans]. Anyway
the answer is yes. Spiritually I’m where Christ is. That is one way I know
that I am saved.
I’m already in heaven (read Eph 2:6) [But “What PART OF YOU is
a MEMBER in HEAVEN? YOUR BODY? YOUR SOUL? YOUR SPIRIT? - Herb Evans]. This
statement was made to the same folks in Eph. 2:14-22 with “HOUSEHOLD OF
GOD” right there in the passage. Par for the course, smart aleck [Look, who
is trying to be a copy cat and get the attention off their own
behaviour–Herb Evans]. “If so, how do you behave yourself in your
mysterious house of God in the sky–Herb Evans?” [Jeff quotes Herb
Evans] First of all bright eyes (You really think these are tough
questions, get real. Kiddie Stuff), is it sky or heaven? – Jeffrey Nachimson
I didn’t know whether they were tough or not, but by the way
you are evading and answering, or I should say NOT answering, they must be
tough. --Herb Evans
Make up your mind, although I’ll answer it for you! Look at 1
Tim. 3:15. Timothy is told how to behave himself “in the house of God.”
1) “The House of God” in the passage is a “house” like that
referred to in Hebrews 11:7 and Acts 16:31. It is a WHOLE HOUSEHOLD
composed of people (Again see Eph. 2:19) [I didn’t think that it was a
half of a house. No answer here! How do you behave in it? – Herb Evans].
– Jeffrey Nachimson
2) This “house” is the “church of the living God,” the PILLAR
and GROUND of THE TRUTH which could not be said of any one local church
anywhere in the world [Why not? How do you know? – Herb Evans]. The
reference is plainly to “the body of Christ” composed of regenerated
believers. [The question was “ How do you BEHAVE yourself in the House of
God?” No answer here! –Herb Evans]. – Jeffrey Nachimson
3) This church holds two positions: a.) The ground which the
New Testament was erected. (The entire New Testament was written after Acts
2.) b.) The pillar, or support, of those truths (John 17:17), which is
dedicated to sustaining them and holding them up (Phil. 2:16) until the end
of the “church age” [NO ANSWER HERE! How do you BEHAVE in it? – Herb
Evans]. – Jeffrey Nachimson
Answer this, if someone got a letter saying, “to the church of
at (sic) Oklahoma City, OK,” who would get it? Every “church” in town
would claim it. –Jeffrey Nachimson
Yawn! No answer here, only a question. Jeff is starting to
sound like a Brider with a generic church. Have you ever heard of a
CIRCULAR EPISTLE to the local churches as opposed to the church in the SKY?
– Herb Evans
Anyway, Timothy is instructed how to behave in the house of
God, which is the church of God (in other words a local church cannot be
the church of God, which is the body of Christ. He is a member of this
household. He’s the one behaving. – Jeffrey Nachimson
HO, HO, HEE, HEE, HA, HA! Tell that to the church of God at
Corinth, 1 Cor. 1:2; 2 Cor. 1:1; 1 Cor. 11:22 and the CHURCHES (PLURAL)of
God, 1 Cor 11:16; 1 Thess 2:14. Who is to do the BEHAVING? Christ? Timothy?
Or the Body? – Herb Evans
See I Tim. 3:3:1-13. Every individual Christian is in the
house of God (they make it up) in this age, which is the church. This one
body [Who is talking about the body here? It is a HOUSE! – Herb Evans] is
supposed to serve Jesus Christ in their area from a local assembly. This
one body is supposed to serve Jesus Christ in their area from a local
assembly. That’s how he behaved himself operating correctly in the body,
located at Ephesus [“in the house of God” was the complete phrase. Why do I
feel like I am being conned? – Herb Evans].
You are forgetting that there are members of the body of
Christ still located on this earth, even though many of them have gone to
be “present with the Lord” and are INVISIBLE (i.e., Paul, Peter, John,
Martin Luther [Great Beer Drinker – Herb Evans]. D.L. Moody, Billy Sunday,
J. Frank Norris [Great Local Church Only – Herb Evans], C.H. Spurgeon,
George Whitfield [Great Calvinists – Herb Evans], John Wesley [Great
Arminian – Herb Evans], Jonathan Edwards, Robert E. Lee, and even ole’ John
R. Rice). But You can’t see them, can you? – Jeffrey Nachimson
I knew that “invisible” word was forthcoming. The end of your
search for an invisible church! No, I can’t see them, but I can’t see you
either. So what? Still, no answer! – Herb Evans
In reference to your question about the “physical, actual,
organic, body of Christ,” he is your answer. The Spiritual Body of Jesus
Christ is the Church; His physical Body is seated at the right hand of the
Majesty on high (Acts 2:34; Heb 12:2). His spiritual Body is His “fulness”
that “filleth all in all” (see Eph. 3:18). The ONE who fills the universe
is the Church; and He is the “fulness of the Godhead” bodily (Col. 2:9). –
Jeffrey Nachimson
Now, I think that I am getting it, TWO JESUS BODIES, a
PHYSICAL Jesus body and a SPIRITUAL OR MYSTICAL Jesus body. Whew! But what
about the ONE BODY? When Jesus was on earth, was His body physical or
spiritual? Of what is the spiritual body of Jesus Christ made? Bodies?
Souls? Spirits? You never told us which part of you is a member of Jesus’
spiritual body in heaven. You can’t hide behind this spiritual body
forever, since a spiritual body is neither an ethereal body or a mystical
body. Specifics, ol’ boy! – Herb Evans
Spiritually I’m a member now (I Cor. 6:17; Col. 1:27; Rom.
8:9; John 17:21). Physically I become “one flesh” with him at the rapture
when I receive a body just like his (Luke 24:39; Matt 22:30; Gal. 4:14;
Acts 27:23, etc...) Hence I am spiritually a member of his body of his
flesh, and of his bones now (Eph 5:30). At the rapture physically. There is
your answer in a brief adumration (sic), plus the Biblical references.
Therefore the church is mentioned not only as a bride, but also as the
Lamb’s wife (Rev. 21:9)! – Jeffrey Nachimson
Again! What PART of you is a spiritual member of the Jesus
body? You do not seem to want to answer that for some reason. There are
four choices: your soul, your body, your spirit, all three. Are you or are
you not a member of the body in heaven? – Herb Evans
For this supposed address you seek, see Eph. 5:30; Eph. 3:21
for starters, On earth, two of its members have addresses right on the
front of your letter? Who’s the smart aleck, Herbie Poo. That is an asinine
question, you asked me. – Jeffrey Nachimson
Only two for starters? Where are the other four (six minus
two)? The smart aleck is the one who said “Herbie Poo,” Fella! Asinine?
Because you can’t answer it? – Herb Evans
The “mechanism” used to distinguish “this special church” is
called Bible study - II Tim. 2:15. Rightly dividing the Word of God at what
it says. See John 16:13; I Cor. 2:9-13 etc... Once again a facetious
statement from DUMB ASS (2 Peter 2:16). – Jeffrey Nachimson
No need to get spiritual! I know that you are the only one who
studies and has special spiritual discernment. That is why you call people
insulting names. If that is your “SECRET” mechanism, Excuse me while I take
my shoes off! – Herb Evans
You would be very erroneous to infer that I advocate two
Christian churches. I “contend” for one body of Christ composed of saints
[Well , the church is His body, and His body is the church – Herb Evans]
from Pentecost to the Rapture. To effectively accomplish the will of God on
this earth, this body must form local assemblies [BODIES? – Herb Evans] to
carry out the “Great Commission.” (Matt. 28:18-20) – Jeffrey Nachimson
I just thought that I’d ask. Wasn’t it you, who pushes a
physical body of Christ and a spiritual or mystical body of Christ? Is
there a physical church and a mystical church. If so, how say ye that you
do not advocate two Christian churches. Or is the one in heaven not
Christian? – Herb Evans
Concerning _ . . . . quote (not “someone” I gave you the
book, the quote reference, with page number. Wise up, son [I’m old enough
to be his dad. I trow he is copying Pensacola here -- Herb Evans]. I’m
going to send you copies of the pages so you’ll know who wrote the stuff
and that the goods are “IN CONTEXT!” I Also, ______ has nothing to do with
this correspondence. I explicitly told you why I used his material in my
4/22 letter. Nice try, Slick. – Jeffrey Nachimson
You don’t understand, do you? I will not discuss another man’s
commentary with a suspicious and contentious adversary! I am discussing
Bible. I explicitly told you that we will quote from the Bible not from
other men’s writings or books. The alternative was that you do not
correspond with me. Your persistence to have your way has voided the terms
of my 4/14/97 letter. I know that you understand, because you
play “hardball.” – Herb Evans
Regarding your statement about not defending the term
“Brider,” because you are a “local church only” is utter nonsense. The
quote propagates the Biblical position that Christ’s spiritual body is ONE
BODY! Brider or no, you don’t line up. I’m not as dumb as your frivolous
(sic) demonstration of atroctic (sic) questioning indefatigably
relinquishes! You can treat it as “my quote,” but that is “yellow
journalism” and a lie! – Jeffrey Nachimson
Wow! I stand in awe at your verbal skills. I told you what I
am. If you know better than I, what I am, so be it. That is your problem.
Your 4/22/97 letter pretends to not like misrepresenting folks’ motives.
Man, I ain’t went journalistic . . . yet. I am just at the letter stage,
pal. I did not say that it was your quote; I merely treated it as your
quote to avoid violating our agreed rule of not quoting other men’s books.
If I wouldn’t have answered it, you would have accused me of skating, like
you did with that Brider thing. Get some grace, man. Lighten up! – Herb Evans
Well, if you read Acts 1:5; John 17:21; I Cor. 12:13; Eph
2:14-22; and Romans 8:9 you would have seen the “conversion into an organic
living body at Pentecost.” – Jeffrey Nachimson
All that you told me was that I was to find a so-called
conversion in Acts 2, which I did not find, for it is not there. You did
not mention these other passages, in which I also cannot find any church
conversion. Still, you have a very serious problem in Acts 1:5 and Acts 2,
for the Holy Spirit is not a BAPTIZER here. Jesus is the BAPTIZER (Matt.
3:11), and the Holy Spirit is the ELEMENT in both Acts 1 and 2. The only
body mentioned here is the Body of Jesus the BAPTIZER. So much for your
Holy Spirit baptism into the body of Christ in Acts 2. You made this up,
didn’t you? – Herb Evans
Don’t forget Romans 12:5, Rom 7:1-4; I Cor. 10:16-17,32.
Christ’s physical body had to return to glory (John 7:39), before his
spiritual) body could be FORMED. [I thought that it was formed at the
cross, according to you? – Herb Evans]. Hence, the Spirit of Christ Romans
8:9. The Pre-Pentecostal “local church” was powerless (Acts 1:8). not in
Christ (Acts 1:5,11:16; I Cor. 12:13), therefore not constituting an
ORGANIC SPIRITUAL BODY. The members were physically organic but not
spiritually (No believer in any age other than the present one was
born-again). – Jeffrey Nachimson
Strange that Gal. 4:28, 29 has Isaac born after the spirit and
Esau born after the flesh, AS EVEN SO IT IS NOW. Your pet word “organic, “
for as much as you use it, never occurs in the Bible at all. It is a pat
answer word. You would make a good Seven Day Adventist blush with your
arbitrary terminology and interpretations. – Herb Evans
As for “Mineral? Vegetable? question, I say your father’s
mustache! – Jeffrey Nachimson
Well, that is your best argument thus far. – Herb Evans
3. and 3.A. in your letter is an apparent discrepency (sic) on
your part. I asked that question because your introduction in - “The End of
Your Search For the Invisible Church”(Never had a problem finding it - The
invisible members are in heaven, the physical apparent members are supposed
to be distributed in various local churches). [You may be able to find it,
but you can’t demonstrate it to me -- Herb Evans]. That introduction stated
that much of Haifly’s statements about “the body” and “baptism” have been
omitted because “that wasn’t part of the deal.” You don’t have very many
cognitive skills, do you? – Jeffrey Nachimson
Your invisible church is so invisible that it can’t be
detected in scripture. It reminds me of the story of the Emperor, who wore
invisible clothing and everyone pretended to see it. Perhaps I am not so
skilled, but your question (3.) Does not mention “Haifley,” “invisible,”
nor my article. It mentions your “introduction” to the whole Bible that you
were about to give me and the word “locality” and “universality.” Read it
again (3.), ol’ boy, in order to find the discrepancy. – Herb Evans
As for the rest of 3.A. you are going to see in a minute that
the New Testament teaches 7 baptisms (This really sheds light on Eph. 4:5).
So, I would like to say for once I agree with your statements. [You’ve made
my day! – Herb Evans]. Water baptism is local, the local church is local
(You worded that great). [Well, shucks, I get one now and then! – Herb
Evans]. You didn’t say “the church” was local, but the body is local. [O.K.
I’ll say it, “The church is local, Matt. 18:17 – Herb Evans]. –Jeffrey
Nachimson
You sure have a time with this word “generic” (We know how you
shop at the pharmacy), so does here in Lawton, OK. See you know that the
word “church” isn’t always a reference “to a specific single unit”(locally,
so you add this word generic to it). Slick. – Jeffrey Nachimson
Much like you add the word “organic.” Sorry, I didn’t know
that. Singular generic usage “always” refers back to a single, specific
single unit, i.e., the generic wife and the generic husband in Eph.
5:23-25. – Herb Evans
The “generic” (I’ll take the name brand) body is not local (I
Cor. 10:32; Gal. 1:13), and the baptism is the Spirit baptism [NO SUCH
THING! - HERB EVANS]of I Cor. 12:13 and Eph. 4:5 that was initiated in Acts
2 (Acts 1:5) [PROVE IT! NO SPIRIT BAPTIZER IN ACTS 1:5 OR ACTS 2 - HERB
EVANS]. Its “generic universality” is ONE BODY IN CHRIST (Rom. 12:5) What
happened to your named brand? Good for goose, not good for gander? –
Jeffrey Nachimson
Yes, ONE local, visible body with visible teachers, rulers,
and exhorters. – Herb Evans
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I know
some of these questions are “the real marks of a JACKASS,” but I agreed
to answer all of the questions, O.K.? [It might have been nice if you
really would answer the questions, rather than sermonize and NAME CALL.
There are 12 questions on the first page; they are followed by question
marks. – Herb Evans]. Oh yes, no (sic) the cotton picking’ Pope is not
the head of the church. He’s the head of the Satanic one world church
(Acts 19:37 that is “drunken with the blood of the saints (Rev. 17).
<br><br>
Here’s
a real dumb question. It’s so irrelevant to the topic [Now, the pot, who
chased rabbits for 8 pages calls the kettle black. – Herb Evans] that I
wonder if I’m wasting my time with you.”[Funny, I have had the same
impression. –Herb Evans]. “Is your mysterious house of God in heaven?”
The epitome of IGNORANCE [Sticks and Stones – Herb Evans]. Anyway the
answer is yes. Spiritually I’m where Christ is. That is one way I know
that I am saved. <br><br>
I’m
already in heaven (read Eph 2:6) [But “What PART OF YOU is a MEMBER in
HEAVEN? YOUR BODY? YOUR SOUL? YOUR SPIRIT? - Herb Evans]. This statement
was made to the same folks in Eph. 2:14-22 with “HOUSEHOLD OF GOD” right
there in the passage. Par for the course, smart aleck [Look, who is
trying to be a copy cat and get the attention off their own
behaviour–Herb Evans]. “If so, how do you behave yourself in your
mysterious house of God in the sky–Herb Evans?” [Jeff quotes Herb
Evans] First of all bright eyes (You really think these are
tough questions, get real. Kiddie Stuff), is it sky or heaven? –
Jeffrey Nachimson<br><br>
<br><br>
I
didn’t know whether they were tough or not, but by the way you are
evading and answering, or I should say NOT answering, they must be
tough. --Herb Evans<br><br>
<br><br>
Make
up your mind, although I’ll answer it for you! Look at 1 Tim. 3:15.
Timothy is told how to behave himself “in the house of God.”<br><br>
<br><br>
1)
“The House of God” in the passage is a “house” like that referred to in
Hebrews 11:7 and Acts 16:31. It is a WHOLE HOUSEHOLD composed of
people (Again see Eph. 2:19) [I didn’t think that it was a
half of a house. No answer here! How do you behave in it?
– Herb Evans]. – Jeffrey Nachimson<br><br>
<br><br>
2)
This “house” is the “church of the living God,” the PILLAR and GROUND of
THE TRUTH which could not be said of any one local church anywhere in the
world [Why not? How do you know? – Herb Evans]. The reference is plainly
to “the body of Christ” composed of regenerated believers. [The question
was “ How do you BEHAVE yourself in the House of God?” No answer here!
–Herb Evans]. – Jeffrey Nachimson<br><br>
<br><br>
3)
This church holds two positions: a.) The ground which the New Testament
was erected. (The entire New Testament was written after Acts 2.) b.) The
pillar, or support, of those truths (John 17:17), which is dedicated to
sustaining them and holding them up (Phil. 2:16) until the end of the
“church age” [NO ANSWER HERE! How do you BEHAVE in it? – Herb Evans]. –
Jeffrey Nachimson<br><br>
<br><br>
Answer
this, if someone got a letter saying, “to the church of at (sic) Oklahoma
City, OK,” who would get it? Every “church” in town would claim it.
–Jeffrey Nachimson<br><br>
<br><br>
Yawn!
No answer here, only a question. Jeff is starting to sound like a Brider
with a generic church. Have you ever heard of a CIRCULAR EPISTLE to the
local churches as opposed to the church in the SKY? – Herb Evans<br><br>
<br><br>
Anyway, Timothy is instructed how to behave in the house of God, which is
the church of God (in other words a local church cannot be the church of
God, which is the body of Christ. He is a member of this household. He’s
the one behaving. – Jeffrey Nachimson<br><br>
<br><br>
HO,
HO, HEE, HEE, HA, HA! Tell that to the church of God at Corinth, 1 Cor.
1:2; 2 Cor. 1:1; 1 Cor. 11:22 and the CHURCHES (PLURAL)of God, 1 Cor
11:16; 1 Thess 2:14. Who is to do the BEHAVING? Christ? Timothy? Or the
Body? – Herb Evans<br><br>
<br><br>
See I
Tim. 3:3:1-13. Every individual Christian is in the house of God (they
make it up) in this age, which is the church. This one body [Who is
talking about the body here? It is a HOUSE! – Herb Evans] is supposed to
serve Jesus Christ in their area from a local assembly. This one body is
supposed to serve Jesus Christ in their area from a local assembly.
That’s how he behaved himself operating correctly in the body, located at
Ephesus [“in the house of God” was the complete phrase. Why do I feel
like I am being conned? – Herb Evans]. <br><br>
You
are forgetting that there are members of the body of Christ still located
on this earth, even though many of them have gone to be “present with the
Lord” and are INVISIBLE (i.e., Paul, Peter, John, Martin Luther [Great
Beer Drinker – Herb Evans]. D.L. Moody, Billy Sunday, J. Frank Norris
[Great Local Church Only – Herb Evans], C.H. Spurgeon, George Whitfield
[Great Calvinists – Herb Evans], John Wesley [Great Arminian – Herb
Evans], Jonathan Edwards, Robert E. Lee, and even ole’ John R. Rice). But
You can’t see them, can you? – Jeffrey Nachimson<br><br>
<br><br>
I knew
that “invisible” word was forthcoming. The end of your search for an
invisible church! No, I can’t see them, but I can’t see you either. So
what? Still, no answer! – Herb Evans <br><br>
<br><br>
In
reference to your question about the “physical, actual, organic, body of
Christ,” he is your answer. The Spiritual Body of Jesus Christ is the
Church; His physical Body is seated at the right hand of the Majesty on
high (Acts 2:34; Heb 12:2). His spiritual Body is His “fulness” that
“filleth all in all” (see Eph. 3:18). The ONE who fills the universe is
the Church; and He is the “fulness of the Godhead” bodily (Col. 2:9). –
Jeffrey Nachimson<br><br>
<br><br>
Now, I
think that I am getting it, TWO JESUS BODIES, a PHYSICAL Jesus body and a
SPIRITUAL OR MYSTICAL Jesus body. Whew! But what about the ONE BODY? When
Jesus was on earth, was His body physical or spiritual? Of what is the
spiritual body of Jesus Christ made? Bodies? Souls? Spirits? You never
told us which part of you is a member of Jesus’ spiritual body in heaven.
You can’t hide behind this spiritual body forever, since a spiritual body
is neither an ethereal body or a mystical body. Specifics, ol’ boy! –
Herb Evans<br><br>
<br><br>
Spiritually I’m a member now (I Cor. 6:17; Col. 1:27; Rom. 8:9; John
17:21). Physically I become “one flesh” with him at the rapture when I
receive a body just like his (Luke 24:39; Matt 22:30; Gal. 4:14; Acts
27:23, etc...) Hence I am spiritually a member of his body of his flesh,
and of his bones now (Eph 5:30). At the rapture physically. There is your
answer in a brief adumration (sic), plus the Biblical references.
Therefore the church is mentioned not only as a bride, but also as the
Lamb’s wife (Rev. 21:9)! – Jeffrey Nachimson<br><br>
<br><br>
Again!
What PART of you is a spiritual member of the Jesus body? You do not seem
to want to answer that for some reason. There are four choices: your
soul, your body, your spirit, all three. Are you or are you not a member
of the body in heaven? – Herb Evans <br><br>
<br><br>
For
this supposed address you seek, see Eph. 5:30; Eph. 3:21 for starters, On
earth, two of its members have addresses right on the front of your
letter? Who’s the smart aleck, Herbie Poo. That is an asinine question,
you asked me. – Jeffrey Nachimson<br><br>
<br><br>
Only
two for starters? Where are the other four (six minus two)? The smart
aleck is the one who said “Herbie Poo,” Fella! Asinine? Because you can’t
answer it? – Herb Evans<br><br>
<br><br>
The
“mechanism” used to distinguish “this special church” is called Bible
study - II Tim. 2:15. Rightly dividing the Word of God at what it says.
See John 16:13; I Cor. 2:9-13 etc... Once again a facetious statement
from DUMB ASS (2 Peter 2:16). – Jeffrey Nachimson<br><br>
<br><br>
No
need to get spiritual! I know that you are the only one who studies and
has special spiritual discernment. That is why you call people insulting
names. If that is your “SECRET” mechanism, Excuse me while I take my
shoes off! – Herb Evans<br><br>
<br><br>
You
would be very erroneous to infer that I advocate two Christian churches.
I “contend” for one body of Christ composed of saints [Well , the church
is His body, and His body is the church – Herb Evans] from Pentecost to
the Rapture. To effectively accomplish the will of God on this earth,
this body must form local assemblies [BODIES? – Herb Evans] to carry out
the “Great Commission.” (Matt. 28:18-20) – Jeffrey Nachimson<br><br>
<br><br>
I just
thought that I’d ask. Wasn’t it you, who pushes a physical body of Christ
and a spiritual or mystical body of Christ? Is there a physical church
and a mystical church. If so, how say ye that you do not advocate two
Christian churches. Or is the one in heaven not Christian? – Herb
Evans<br><br>
<br><br>
Concerning _ . . . . quote (not “someone” I gave you the
book, the quote reference, with page number. Wise up, son [I’m old enough
to be his dad. I trow he is copying Pensacola here -- Herb Evans]. I’m
going to send you copies of the pages so you’ll know who wrote the stuff
and that the goods are “IN CONTEXT!” I Also, ______ has nothing to do
with this correspondence. I explicitly told you why I used his material
in my 4/22 letter. Nice try, Slick. – Jeffrey Nachimson<br><br>
<br><br>
You
don’t understand, do you? I will not discuss another man’s commentary
with a suspicious and contentious adversary! I am discussing Bible. I
explicitly told you that we will quote from the Bible not from other
men’s writings or books. The alternative was that you do not correspond
with me. Your persistence to have your way has voided the terms of
my 4/14/97 letter. I know that you understand, because you
play “hardball.” – Herb Evans<br><br>
<br><br>
Regarding your statement about not defending the term “Brider,” because
you are a “local church only” is utter nonsense. The quote propagates the
Biblical position that Christ’s spiritual body is ONE BODY! Brider or no,
you don’t line up. I’m not as dumb as your frivolous (sic) demonstration
of atroctic (sic) questioning indefatigably relinquishes! You can
treat it as “my quote,” but that is “yellow journalism” and a
lie! – Jeffrey Nachimson<br><br>
<br><br>
Wow! I
stand in awe at your verbal skills. I told you what I am. If you know
better than I, what I am, so be it. That is your problem. Your 4/22/97
letter pretends to not like misrepresenting folks’ motives. Man, I ain’t
went journalistic . . . yet. I am just at the letter stage, pal. I did
not say that it was your quote; I merely treated it as your quote to
avoid violating our agreed rule of not quoting other men’s books. If I
wouldn’t have answered it, you would have accused me of skating, like you
did with that Brider thing. Get some grace, man. Lighten up! – Herb
Evans<br><br>
<br>
Well,
if you read Acts 1:5; John 17:21; I Cor. 12:13; Eph 2:14-22; and Romans
8:9 you would have seen the “conversion into an organic living body at
Pentecost.” </b>– <b>Jeffrey Nachimson<br>
</b> <br><br>
<b> All
that you told me was that I was to find a so-called conversion in Acts 2,
which I did not find, for it is not there. You did not mention these
other passages, in which I also cannot find any church conversion. Still,
you have a very serious problem in Acts 1:5 and Acts 2, for the Holy
Spirit is not a BAPTIZER here. Jesus is the BAPTIZER (Matt. 3:11), and
the Holy Spirit is the ELEMENT in both Acts 1 and 2. The only body
mentioned here is the Body of Jesus the BAPTIZER. So much for your
Holy Spirit baptism into the body of Christ in Acts 2. You made
this up, didn’t you? – Herb Evans<br><br>
<br><br>
Don’t
forget Romans 12:5, Rom 7:1-4; I Cor. 10:16-17,32. Christ’s physical body
had to return to glory (John 7:39), before his spiritual) body could be
FORMED. [I thought that it was formed at the cross, according to you? –
Herb Evans]. Hence, the Spirit of Christ Romans 8:9. The Pre-Pentecostal
“local church” was powerless (Acts 1:8). not in Christ (Acts 1:5,11:16; I
Cor. 12:13), therefore not constituting an ORGANIC SPIRITUAL BODY. The
members were physically organic but not spiritually (No believer in any
age other than the present one was born-again). – Jeffrey
Nachimson<br><br>
<br><br>
Strange that Gal. 4:28, 29 has Isaac born after the spirit and Esau
born after the flesh, AS EVEN SO IT IS NOW. Your pet word “organic, “ for
as much as you use it, never occurs in the Bible at all. It is a pat
answer word. You would make a good Seven Day Adventist blush with your
arbitrary terminology and interpretations. – Herb Evans<br><br>
<br><br>
As for
“Mineral? Vegetable? question, I say your father’s mustache! – Jeffrey
Nachimson<br><br>
<br><br>
Well,
that is your best argument thus far. – Herb Evans<br><br>
<br><br>
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3. and 3.A.
in your letter is an apparent discrepency (sic) on your part. I asked
that question because your introduction in - “The End of Your Search For
the Invisible Church”(Never had a problem finding it - The invisible
members are in heaven, the physical apparent members are supposed to be
distributed in various local churches). [You may be able to find it, but
you can’t demonstrate it to me -- Herb Evans]. That introduction stated
that much of Haifly’s statements about “the body” and “baptism” have been
omitted because “that wasn’t part of the deal.” You don’t have very many
cognitive skills, do you? – Jeffrey Nachimson<br><br>
<br><br>
Your
invisible church is so invisible that it can’t be detected in scripture.
It reminds me of the story of the Emperor, who wore invisible clothing
and everyone pretended to see it. Perhaps I am not so skilled, but your
question (3.) Does not mention “Haifley,” “invisible,” nor my article. It
mentions your “introduction” to the whole Bible that you were about to
give me and the word “locality” and “universality.” Read it again (3.),
ol’ boy, in order to find the discrepancy. – Herb Evans<br><br>
<br><br>
As for
the rest of 3.A. you are going to see in a minute that the New Testament
teaches 7 baptisms (This really sheds light on Eph. 4:5). So, I would
like to say for once I agree with your statements. [You’ve made my day! –
Herb Evans]. Water baptism is local, the local church is local (You
worded that great). [Well, shucks, I get one now and then! – Herb Evans].
You didn’t say “the church” was local, but the body is local. [O.K. I’ll
say it, “The church is local, Matt. 18:17 – Herb Evans]. –Jeffrey
Nachimson<br><br>
<br><br>
You
sure have a time with this word “generic” (We know how you shop at the
pharmacy), so does here in Lawton, OK. See you know that the word
“church” isn’t always a reference “to a specific single unit”(locally, so
you add this word generic to it). Slick. – Jeffrey Nachimson<br><br>
<br><br>
Much
like you add the word “organic.” Sorry, I didn’t know that. Singular
generic usage “always” refers back to a single, specific single
unit, i.e., the generic wife and the generic husband in Eph.
5:23-25. – Herb Evans<br><br>
<br><br>
The “generic” (I’ll take the name brand) body is not local (I Cor. 10:32;
Gal. 1:13), and the baptism is the Spirit baptism [NO SUCH THING! - HERB
EVANS]of I Cor. 12:13 and Eph. 4:5 that was initiated in Acts 2 (Acts
1:5) [PROVE IT! NO SPIRIT BAPTIZER IN ACTS 1:5 OR ACTS 2 - HERB EVANS].
Its “generic universality” is ONE BODY IN CHRIST (Rom. 12:5) What
happened to your named brand? Good for goose, not good for gander? –
Jeffrey Nachimson<br><br>
<br><br>
Yes,
ONE local, visible body with visible teachers, rulers, and exhorters. –
Herb Evans<br><br>
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