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Re: [Mwananchi] Libya's NTC  Jupiter Punungwe
 Oct 31, 2011 04:00 PST 

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NATO was like a hyena that saw two goats fighting each other. Make them
fight each other to exhaustion and you can have them both for a meal. It is
that simple.

Jupiter

On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 3:14 AM, Jupiter Punungwe <punu-@gmail.com>wrote:

 Prof

Your mistake is thinking that I am worried about Gadhafi. I am worried
about the thousands if Libyans whose lives would have been saved by a
negotiated exit for Gadhafi. It was not Libyans themselves who refused to
negotiate but NATO proxies.

One can understand why. A negotiate solution would have left Libya strong
and intact. Now Libya is teetering on the brink of long term instability
with it's army destroyed, infrastructure destroyed. I am sure you are aware
that Gadhafi was trying to defend all these things for all Libyans not just
for himself.

Surely you cannot claim that given the standard of life that Temba posted
about a few days ago Libyans wanted to fight till their country was
unstable.

However someone must have known that a weak and unstable Libya would be
unable to assert strong control over their resources. Outsiders could
easily walk in and extract those resources as is already happening.

Only a fool can believe that the ultimate objective was to destroy
Gadhafi. The ultimate objective was to structurally weaken Libya, leave her
open to exploitation and then rule by proxy-colonialism as is happening in
Iraqi. For a long time to come Libya's new leaders cannot do anything
without approval from Western capitals. Creating that dependence was the
objective of NATO bombing, not freeing Libyans.

Libyans still nee to be free. Gadhafi was a dictator over them but right
now they are much worse off than they were eight months ago.

Jupiter


On 30/10/2011 01:40, George Ayittey wrote:



Jupiter,

You are either for change or not for change. Asking such silly questions
will NOT bring Ghaddafi back. In the struggle for democracy, you lead,
follow or clear the hell out of the way.

Neither me or Prof Simoyi said everything is going to be rosy after
Ghaddafi. In the initial stages of* every* successful revolution, there
are bound to be mistakes. Hopefully, the NTC will learn from them. If they
don't and start repeating the same old stupid mistakes Ghaddafi made, I
will go after them with a vengeance. This has happened too often in Africa.
We struggle very hard to remove one cockroach from power and the next rat
comes to do the same thing.

Now, if you are going to stand by the sidelines and cheer hysterically
every little misstep the NTC makes, then your head needs to be examined.

George


On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Jupiter Punungwe <punu-@gmail.com>wrote:

 

Profs Simoyi and Ayittey

If Libyans love the NTC so much why is it asking NATO to protect it from
Libyans?

Jupiter

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side. Me dip on God's side, the one who create me and cause me to come from
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NATO was like a hyena that saw two goats fighting each other. Make them fight each other to exhaustion and you can have them both for a meal. It is that simple.<div><div><br></div><div>Jupiter<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">
On Sun, Oct 30, 2011 at 3:14 AM, Jupiter Punungwe <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:punu-@gmail.com">punu-@gmail.com</a>></span> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex;">


    

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    Prof<br>
    <br>
    Your mistake is thinking that I am worried about Gadhafi. I am
    worried about the thousands if Libyans whose lives would have been
    saved by a negotiated exit for Gadhafi. It was not Libyans
    themselves who refused to negotiate but NATO proxies.<br>
    <br>
    One can understand why. A negotiate solution would have left Libya
    strong and intact. Now Libya is teetering on the brink of long term
    instability with it's army destroyed, infrastructure destroyed. I am
    sure you are aware that Gadhafi was trying to defend all these
    things for all Libyans not just for himself.<br>
    <br>
    Surely you cannot claim that given the standard of life that Temba
    posted about a few days ago Libyans wanted to fight till their
    country was unstable.<br>
    <br>
    However someone must have known that a weak and unstable Libya would
    be unable to assert strong control over their resources. Outsiders
    could easily walk in and extract those resources as is already
    happening.<br>
    <br>
    Only a fool can believe that the ultimate objective was to destroy
    Gadhafi. The ultimate objective was to structurally weaken Libya,
    leave her open to exploitation and then rule by proxy-colonialism as
    is happening in Iraqi. For a long time to come Libya's new leaders
    cannot do anything without approval from Western capitals. Creating
    that dependence was the objective of NATO bombing, not freeing
    Libyans.<br>
    <br>
    Libyans still nee to be free. Gadhafi was a dictator over them but
    right now they are much worse off than they were eight months ago.<br>
    <br>
    Jupiter<div><div></div><div class="h5"><br>
    <br>
    On 30/10/2011 01:40, George Ayittey wrote:
    <blockquote type="cite">
      
      
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      <br>
      
      Jupiter,<br>
      <br>
      You are either for change or not for change. Asking such silly
      questions will NOT bring Ghaddafi back. In the struggle for
      democracy, you lead, follow or clear the hell out of the way.<br>
      <br>
      Neither me or Prof Simoyi said everything is going to be rosy
      after Ghaddafi. In the initial stages of<i><b> every</b></i>
      successful revolution, there are bound to be mistakes. Hopefully,
      the NTC will learn from them. If they don't and start repeating
      the same old stupid mistakes Ghaddafi made, I will go after them
      with a vengeance. This has happened too often in Africa. We
      struggle very hard to remove one cockroach from power and the next
      rat comes to do the same thing.<br>
      <br>
      Now, if you are going to stand by the sidelines and cheer
      hysterically every little misstep the NTC makes, then your head
      needs to be examined.<br>
      <br>
      George<br>
      <br>
      <br>
      <div class="gmail_quote">On Sat, Oct 29, 2011 at 12:47 PM, Jupiter
        Punungwe <span dir="ltr"><<a href="mailto:punu-@gmail.com" target="_blank">punu-@gmail.com</a>></span>
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                  <p>Profs Simoyi and Ayittey<br>
                    <br>
                    If Libyans love the NTC so much why is it asking
                    NATO to protect it from <br>
                    Libyans?<br>
                    <br>
                    Jupiter<br>
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                    half-caste or whatever. Me don't dip on nobody's
                    side. Me don't dip on the black man's side nor the
                    white man's side. Me dip on God's side, the one who
                    create me and cause me to come from black and
                    white." -- Nesta Robert Marley, Jamaican Musician<br>
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