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1000 Years in Hell - Critique Of Critique - 7
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John Henry
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Oct 08, 2004 23:11 PDT
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HERB EVANS CRITIQUES HERETIC JOEY FAUST'S CRITIQUE
By Herb Evans
E-mail: HerbE-@juno.com
56. Herb writes: "Faust cannot even be sure that he will not burn in his
Baptist Purgatory nor be shut out of the millennial kingdom."
Herb is correct. -- Joey Faust
I know that I am correct. Like a Catholic, Joey doesn't have an ounce of
assurance of continuous salvation and is trying to teach those, who do have
such assurance, his heresy to undermine their faith. --Herb Evans
May the Lord have mercy upon me as I fear Him and hope for the prize.
--Joey Faust
Joey doesn't even know what the prize is that he is working for; Joey is
working for continuous salvation and continuous eternal life any way that
you cut it. The Lord will not show Joey mercy until he repents of his
heresy. -- Herb Evans
However, I have shown in another article, that Herb cannot be absolutely
sure he is not a false professor. -- Joey Faust
Now, isn't that something. Joey is sure that Herb cannot be sure that he is
not a false professor, but can Joey be sure that he is not a false
professor or a false prophet? This double tongued, double minded,
inconsistent, pat answer heretic has some gall. Herb is absolutely sure
because Herb has believed God's word. --Herb Evans
He interprets most of the warnings to Christians, as warnings to false
professors in regard to eternal salvation. Therefore, Herb must wait until
he has finished his course, and endured until the end, before he can know
FOR SURE that he has not simply been a FALSE PROFESSOR his whole
"Christian" life. Therefore, Herb has traded in assurance in eternity, in
an attempt to gain assurance in regard to the Millennial reign. He has the
gift confused with the prize. -- Joey Faust
Now, this is the epitome of illogical reasoning. First, Joey must know that
at least some warnings are to the unsaved and false professors. Why does
Joey not have to wait to find out that he is not the false professor that
he is sure that he is not? Joey, the apostle, of uncertainty tries to
transfer his uncertainty to Herb Evans, who is certain of his destiny. It
is Joey that is confused about eternal life and salvation. Joey needs to
get straight on that, before he ever considers kingdom ground. -- Herb Evans
57. Herb writes: "For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed ALL
judgment [NOT punishment and NOT chastisement] unto the Son: --John 5:22"
Revelation 3:19 As many as I love, I REBUKE AND CHASTEN: be zealous
therefore, and repent. 21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with
ME in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with MY FATHER in
his throne. -- Joey Faust
I don't know what Joey has in mind here or what he thinks I am saying, but
judgment is not the same as punishment and chastening, for these occur
after there is judgment. Still, my quote should be taken in the context in
which it was spoken, regarding our elder brother exercising the judgment at
the JSOC and that judgment is not and does not demand chastisement or
punishment. This is a judgment in reference to rewards. But if Joey is
contradicting and denying Jesus, when He said that the Father hath
committed ALL judgment to the Son as John 5:22 says, be our guest. We
simply pointed out that the word was judgment in that particular verse and
not something else. So, if Joey believes that the Father has not committed
all chastisement and punishment to the Son, let him have at it. -- Herb Evans
Revelation 3:19 dismantles Herb's strange theory. People say amazing things
to escape accountability. Also, Herb did not check the word "judge" in a
dictionary or by the rest of Scripture. Webster says the word means: "To
try; to examine and PASS SENTENCE ON." Notice how "judge" is used in the
following Scriptures: -- Joey Faust
We would not contest this understanding of the word "judge." What we would
contest is that Joey does only gives the narrow definition of the word,
limiting it only to punishment. Wait until these beauty pageant judges find
out that they are supposed to punish the non winners. The same can be said
of foot races. -- Herb Evans
Hebrews 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought
worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the
blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and
hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know him that hath
said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And
again, The Lord shall JUDGE his people. 31 It is a fearful thing to fall
into the hands of the living God. -- Joey Faust
This passage establishes neither Joey's narrower view nor my broader view
of judgment nor this judgment's location. The writer of Hebrews is quoting
Psalm 7:8, in relation to the congregation of Israel not the JSOC or the
GWTJ. But Joey never saw a verse on judgment that he did not like. --Herb Evans
Revelation 19:11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he
that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he
doth JUDGE and make war.
James 5:9 Grudge not one against another, brethren, lest ye be condemned:
behold, THE JUDGE standeth before the door.
Hebrews 13:4 Marriage is honourable in all, and the bed undefiled: but
whoremongers and adulterers God WILL JUDGE.
If these verses (and there are multitudes of others) do not speak of
punishment or chastisement, we would like to know what they speak of! --
Joey Faust
Obviously, Joey's myopic vision will not allow him to see any kind of
judgment that is not punitive; said judgment must also be synonymous with
the lake of fire and the JSOC. Joey is the Overcomers' cult's counterpart
to Campbellism, regarding certain words. They like water. Joey the sadist
never has come onto a verse that contains fire, burn, punishment, stripes,
torment, and judgment that he does not like. -- Herb Evans
58. Herb writes: "The Bible teaches that ALL Christians are SCOURGED--not
just the carnal."
Herb does not realize that believers must PROPERLY RESPOND to God's
chastisement. They may respond in two rebellious ways: --Joey Faust
So??? Why does not Herb realize that? What does that have to do with EVERY
son receiving chastisement and scourging? Or is this another misdirection
play? -- Herb Evans
Hebrews 12:5 And ye have forgotten the exhortation which speaketh unto you
as unto children, My son, DESPISE NOT thou the chastening of the Lord, NOR
FAINT when thou art rebuked of him:
To ignore God's chastisement, or to blame Him in self-pity and sinful
discouragement, will hinder God's work in our lives. If we continue to
respond sinfully to His correction, we will be dealt with at the Judgment
Seat of Christ (2 Corinthians 5:9-11). --Joey Faust
While we would agree on how not to respond to God's chastisement, we do not
agree on what happens, if we don't respond correctly. Still, Heb. 12:5 is
not talking about the JSOC. Joey says, without proof, that the offenders
will be dealt with at the JSOC (killed and thrown in the lake of fire). We
say that you get knocked in the head HERE on earth or you get your pilot
light blown out. --Herb Evans
59. Herb writes: "In the first place, chastisement and punishment are two
different things."
My book shows from the Bible and dictionaries that the two words are
interchangeable, especially in 1611. There are different purposes for
chastisement. But understanding the purposes is not necessary to believing
that what God says He will do, He will certainly do! This is how Baptists
have answered the Universalists for years. Herb has simply jumped to a
conclusion without checking the words in a concordance or dictionary. --
Joey Faust
Punishment and chastisement are not completely interchangeable or
synonymous. Both Chastisement and Punishment are synonymous as far as the
pain that is inflicted. Still, the main idea in punishment is punitive pain
as retribution, while the main idea of chastisement is corrective pain or
the infliction of pain to correct. Joey does not want this distinction to
surface, because he is trying to get the lost and the carnal believer both
to experience the same kind of retribution. Certain absent definitions from
Joey's appeal to Webster 1828 to be examined are:
"Punish; to pain. Punished; Afflicted with pain or evil as the RETRIBUTION
of a crime or offence."
"Chastise; correct by punishing. Chastisement; correction; punishment; pain
inflicted for punishment and correction, either by stripes or otherwise.
Chasten; to correct by punishment."
While there is some interchangeability between the two words, Joey is
displaying his ignorance of the roots of each, for Joey just quoted a verse
that says that God chastens those that he LOVES. Chastisement is meant to
be loving and corrective. When God throws lost people into the lake of
fire, he does not love them nor is He trying to correct them or chastise
them in love. God inflicts pain in either case. Still, regardless of what
dictionary manipulation Joey can come up with, the main idea of
chastisement of believers is correction. The main idea of punishment of
unbelievers is inflicting misery. --Herb Evans
60. Herb writes: AWhat kind of correction is needed after one's life is
over? Fathers are supposed to chastise their children unto correction but
NOT to punish them (Pro. 3:11,12)."
Suppose a father tells an older child that he must do his chores and that
he will call in to check up on him, and that he must have everything
accomplished and in place when he returns. He calls, and finds he is not
being obeyed. He gives his child a verbal warning over the phone. He tells
him he may no longer go outside into the yard (warning chastisements). The
father then returns home a few hours later. The child has not completed his
chores, and is caught in sin. "What kind of correction is needed after
one's life is over?" What kind? A good scourging is needed; a scourging
that shows the angels, and any other rational creature that may be
watching, that when the Lord says He will return and reward every Christian
according to his or her works, He means exactly what He says! What kind of
correction is needed after one's life is over? Why doesn't Herb ask this
question in regard to positive rewards? Why should REWARDS be given after
life is over? Is not ONE purpose of a reward to AFFIRM good behaviour? What
would be the purpose of rewarding a Christian after death? God has many
purposes. And if it is true that He will reward good behavior in His
saints, then He will surely reward bad behaviour (Col.3:25, 2 Cor.5:9-11,
Luke 12:47). -- Joey Faust
Joey can suppose all he wants. We are not interested in supposition nor are
we interested in a pontification that states without scripture that
scourging is NEEDED after death. As for Joey's insistence that the
scourging is the lake of fire that borders on insanity. Joey blew that one
big time. If you want a counter illustration, parents whip their children;
they don't throw them in the fire unless they want a legitimate visit from
social services. Still, the O.T. saints were commanded to stone their
rebellious children, as a last resort to their being incorrigible. --Herb
Evans
61. Herb writes: "Our heavenly Father chastises His adopted, saved children
on this earth, but He does not punish them."
What a mess of modern, vain philosophy! What does Herb call it when God
made some saints SICK in Corinth? What does Herb call it when God KILLED
some saints in Corinth (1 Corinthians 11)? My point is that whatever one
wishes to call it, Christians may receive the same thing at the Judgment
Seat of Christ: -- Joey Faust
I call it chastisement by sickness, and chastisement by death, so their
spirits could be saved in the day of the Lord Jesus (JSOC). Even the
Israelites were commanded to kill their incorrigible and rebellious
children. Yes, they receive some things at the JSOC, i.e., wood, hay, and
stubble at the JSOC No, they do not receive sickness or death at the JSOC.
They do receive gold, silver, precious stones and wood, hay, stubble,
unless Joey can show us that they receive something else beside at the JSOC
with direct concrete proof texts as opposed to Joey Faust indirect hints of
something. -- Herb Evans
"Punish: 2. To chastise; as a father punishes his child for disobedience."
(Web. 1828). -- Joey Faust
We wonder why Joey did not include some other definitions from Webster
1828, like:
"Punish: to pain. Or Punished: Afflicted with pain or evil as the
RETRIBUTION of a crime or offence".
The main idea of punishment is pain inflicted for retribution.
Joey also neglected to give us other Webster 1828 definitions for chastening:
"Chastise; correct by punishing. Chastisement; Correction; punishment;
pain inflicted for punishment and correction, either by stripes or
otherwise. Chasten: to correct by punishment."
Both Chastisement and Punishment are synonymous as far as pain being
inflicted. Still, the main idea in punishment is punitive pain as
retribution, while the main idea of chastisement is the infliction of pain
for correction. Joey does not want this distinction to surface, because he
wants the lost and the carnal believer both to experience the same kind of
retribution in the lake of fire. -- Herb Evans
Lamentations 3:1 I am the man that hath seen affliction by the rod of his
wrath. 22 It is of the LORD'S mercies that we are not consumed, because his
compassions fail not. 31 For the Lord will not cast off for ever: 39
Wherefore doth a living man complain, a man for the PUNISHMENT of his sins?
?Joey Faust
Obviously, a living man is under consideration here in general. All living
men are not saints. And Yes, pain is inflicted on earth for one's sins. But
we doubt whether this man saw the JSOC. -- Herb Evans
Lamentations 4:22 The PUNISHMENT of thine iniquity is accomplished, O
daughter of Zion; he will NO MORE carry thee away into captivity: he will
visit thine iniquity, O daughter of Edom; he will discover thy sins. ? Joey
Faust
Obviously, a nation is under consideration here not an individual. --
Herb Evans
2 Corinthians 2:6 Sufficient to such a man is this PUNISHMENT, which was
inflicted of many. 7 So that contrariwise ye ought rather to forgive him,
and comfort him, lest perhaps such a one should be swallowed up with
overmuch sorrow. --Joey Faust
Obviously, the Lord did not punish the man, the church punished him unto
correction, judging by the outcome. -- Herb Evans
Hebrews 10:29 Of how much sorer PUNISHMENT, suppose ye, shall he be thought
worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the
blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and
hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace? 30 For we know him that hath
said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And
again, The Lord shall JUDGE HIS PEOPLE. --Joey Faust
The Hebrews were being asked what they SUPPOSED or THOUGHT was the proper
punishment for the offense committed. The comparison is to physical death
under Moses on earth. We do not contest the fact that God judges his people
here on earth. What we do contest is what that judgment above consists.
Joey automatically sees the lake of fire and death at the JSOC here. We do
not. The question regarding judgment is how, when, where, what, and why. --
Herb Evans
62. Herb writes: "More important is the one, who wields the Rod of
Chastisement? always the Father. Yet it is our elder brother, the Lord
Jesus Christ, who will judge Christians at the judgment seat of Christ, and
that judgment is going to be to reward his brothers not to punish them nor
even to chastise them."
We have already seen that these strange, "antinomian inspired" distinctions
are without foundation. Herb offers no proof-texts. Notice again (as a
proof of Herb's sloppy scholarship in regard to this whole debate), how
Scripture teaches that the Lord Jesus (Elder Brother in one picture)
CHASTISES His saints: -- Joey Faust
We were using Joey's terms as a side comment. You never see a ROD in Jesus'
hand except when he rules, yet we readily admit that he correctively and
lovingly rebukes and chastens those whom He loves on earth (churches) but
not at the JSOC. Our main point here before being sidetracked into word
games was that the judgment at the JSOC is for rewards and not for
chastisement OR punishment. --Herb Evans
Revelation 3:14 And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write;
THESE THINGS SAITH the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning
of the creation of God; 16 So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither
cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. 19 As many as I love, I
REBUKE AND CHASTEN: be zealous therefore, and repent. 21 To him that
overcometh will I grant to sit with me in MY throne, even as I also
overcame, and am set down with MY FATHER in his throne. -- Joey Faust
Obviously, this is not the JSOC but churches here on earth. We do not
contest this passage, but we duly note, however, that the "as many as I
love" was written to a specific church, regarding the chastisement. It does
not say to him that I love, I rebuke and chasten. It does say "to him that
overcometh," which is obviously written to individuals in a mixed multitude
of both saved and unsaved, considering, especially, this type of Laodicean
church. Obviously, all would not be spued out. -- Herb Evans
The Lord Jesus is speaking in Revelation 3. Jesus says He CHASTENS. He does
not just give out prizes. Herb fails to understand that the picture of
Jesus being our Elder Brother is only ONE picture. He is also our
Bridegroom! He is also our SHEPHERD. And He is also our LORD! Our Lord will
temporarily punish rebellious saints (both now and at the Judgment Seat),
and He will also PUNISH the wicked. He does not just leave the ROD to the
Father: -- Joey Faust
Just saying it does not make it so, no matter how often Joey says it. See
the above answer. This is a church setting, composed of saint and
sinner-not a JSOC setting. -- Herb Evans
Jude 1:14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these,
saying, Behold, THE LORD COMETH with ten thousands of his saints, 15 To
execute JUDGMENT upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them
of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all
their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him. --
Joey Faust
Joey was not doing to bad for a while, with his word games, but now he is
back to his time frame boo boos. When the Lord comes back WITH HIS SAINTS
to judge ungodly sinners in this way, It is AFTER the JSOC. After the
Marriage. -- Herb Evans
Revelation 22:12 And, behold, I come quickly; and my REWARD is with me, to
give every man according as his work shall be. Is this REWARD only
positive? -- Joey Faust
No, wood, hay, and stubble rewards are far from positive, especially when
they get burned up. -- Herb Evans
Matthew 16:27 For the Son of man shall come in the glory of his Father with
his angels; and then he shall REWARD every man according to his works.
"Every man" means "every man." Is the reward here ONLY the Elder Brother
giving out crowns? -- Joey Faust
If Joey Faust would pay attention to the time frame here of the second
coming in glory, he would realize that it was not even talking about the
JSOC at all. Ho hum! -- Herb Evans
Revelation 16:15 Behold, I COME as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth,
and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame. --
Joey Faust
If we are in the tribulation here, and we are, this passage of the vial
judgments does not apply to N.T. saints. We wish Joey would get up to speed
on this; it would help him to not post inappropriate and misleading proof
texts. -- Herb Evans
Revelation 3:11 Behold, I come quickly: hold that fast which thou hast,
that no man take thy crown.
Is the reward here ONLY the Elder Brother giving out crowns? --Joey Faust
Well, finally Joey got into the right time frame. Well ... ah ... Joey, a
crown is all that is mentioned here in regard to someone taking it. What
did you have in mind? Commit yourself Joey; we can't read your mind. What
else is here in this passage? There does not seem to be any eternal life
taken from anyone. -- Herb Evans
Revelation 3:3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and
hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on
thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
--Joey Faust
Well, Joey has got himself out of the tribulation and back into the context
of a church, who must watch or face the penalty of not knowing the hour,
hardly the Lake of fire or being slain at the JSOC or the stripes. -- Herb
Evans
Luke 12:37 Blessed are those servants, whom THE LORD when HE COMETH shall
FIND WATCHING: verily I say unto you, that he shall gird himself, and make
them to sit down to meat, and will come forth and serve them. 41 Then Peter
said unto him, Lord, speakest thou this parable unto us, or even to all? 46
The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him,
and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will
appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. 47 And that servant, which
knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to
his will, shall be beaten with many stripes -- Joey Faust
Oh dear, there Joey goes again--hopping back and forth into the wrong time
frame, supposing that every "watch" admonition means the same time frame.
That is the danger of concordance Bible study. Joey does not realize that
this happens AFTER the WEDDING in Luke 12:36. And the WEDDING is after the
JSOC, but don't tell Joey that. His other mistake is to imagine that the
word servant always means a saved person. Sorry, but Joey's much desired
stripes are out of his reach here. --Herb Evans
Is the reward in the above Scriptures ONLY the Elder Brother giving out
crowns?! This whole idea is clearly a product of lazy, Laodicean
scholarship, which seeks to downgrade the "terror of the Lord" in 2
Corinthians 5:9-11 at all costs. -- Joey Faust
We don't see any reward in the above scripture. We see only that Joey is in
the wrong place in time. Even Peter questioned who the statements were to,
but Joey has a problem nailing it down even after the fact. It would be
nice if Joey could define the terror of the Lord with context. If Joey
knows the terror of the Lord, what men does he persuade, lost or saved men?
-- Herb Evans
63. Herb writes: "This is one of Joey's key passages [ 2 Cor.5:9-1] for
proving that a Christian gets bad/negative rewards or punishment at the
JSOC. Unfortunately for Joey, EVERYONE at the JSOC receives for the good
and bad done in his old body? not just a certain group. Note that the good
and bad relate to the OLD imperfect body and not to the soul nor to the NEW
body. The believer's soul and spirit are taken care of by the blood of
Christ and cannot be punished. The old body of sins is destroyed and
changed into a glorified, new body (despite Joey's denial), so that it
cannot be punished. (Note that nothing is said about the JSOC in (1 Thess.
4:6). It is just inferred like so many of his other proof texts.)"
Now, according to Herb, it is only the OLD BODY that gets a whipping at the
Judgment Seat, and Herb says this body is gone. This is incredible. -- Joey
Faust
No, Joey has it wrong. Herb does not believe that any "body," old or new,
gets a whipping there. Still, the "old body" thing, proposed by Herb, was
in response to the Joey's suggestion that there wasn't any resurrected body
for the carnal believer at the JSOC. Herb does believe the old body is gone
at the JSOC and the believer has the new body at this point, however, that
is what we have been trying to tell Joey. -- Herb Evans
Herb says the laziness and sins were committed in the OLD BODY, and
therefore, the CHRISTIAN at the Judgment Seat cannot receive for sins
committed on earth. -- Joey Faust
No, Herb said nothing about laziness, but Herb does say that no sins will
cause punishment or stripes or death at the JSOC. But it is interesting
that Joey, among the other things he has told us, now believes that
"laziness" will send believers to the lake of fire and to hell. Man, Joey
just about has everyone in the lake of fire. Works are judged at the
JSOC--not sins. -- Herb Evans
But let us now ask, WHAT will the faithful Christians be rewarded for at
the Judgment Seat? Are they rewarded for good deeds done at the Judgment
Seat? Of course not. They are rewarded for good deeds done IN THE BODY on
earth. Why is it that Herb allows believers to be rewarded POSITIVELY for
deeds done in the body, but he does not allow believers to be rewarded
NEGATIVELY for deeds done in the body?! Scripture is clear. Herb's mystical
antinomianism is wrong and deadly: --Joey Faust
Herb does allow for negative rewards at the judgment seat-wood, hay, and
stubble. It is what is done for Christ out of love and not vain glory that
gets the gold, silver, and precious stones. Now, that was not such a hard
kindergarten question. Joey's works are works under duress. That will get
him wood, hay, and stubble, if he ever makes it there. --Herb Evans
Colossians 3:24 Knowing that of the Lord ye shall receive the reward of the
inheritance: for ye serve the Lord Christ. 25 But he that doeth wrong SHALL
RECEIVE for the wrong which he hath done: and there is no respect of
persons. -- Joey Faust
Now, it does not say WHERE, let alone the JSOC. But serving Christ wrongly
should receive wrong stuff here and at the JSOC, like wood, hay, and
stubble. You know, like Santa Claus brings you a lump of coal, if you are
not up to snuff.-- Herb Evans
2 Corinthians 5:9 Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we
may be accepted of him. 10 For we must all appear before the judgment seat
of Christ; that EVERY ONE MAY RECEIVE the things done in his body,
according to that he hath done, whether it be good OR BAD.
The ONE who RECEIVES is the ONE standing at the Judgment Seat. Herb somehow
imagines (at least I think so) that the phrase "in his body," means that he
RECEIVES THE REWARD IN HIS OLD BODY. -- Joey Faust
No, we already disputed that crazy idea. It is more conducive to what Joey
believes about a carnal raised body that is not resurrected. The believer
stands with his new glorified, resurrected body. The issue here is
RECEIVING at the JSOC for what was done in the old body. I hope we do not
have to cover this again. We RECEIVE the GOOD gold, silver, and precious
stones. We RECEIVE the BAD--wood, hay, and stubble. ?Herb Evans
But what body receives the GOOD rewards? The THINGS DONE are past tense.
The good and the bad are past tense. The ONE is present tense. The ONE who
RECEIVES is the ONE at the Judgment Seat. -- Joey Faust
The NEW BODY receives the GOOD and the BAD REWARDS. Shoosh! This is really
getting redundant. The bad rewards are burned and the believer suffers
LOSS-not death. The good rewards stand the test, hence reward is
maintained. -- Herb Evans
11 Knowing therefore the TERROR of the Lord, we persuade men; but we are
made manifest unto God; and I trust also are made manifest in your consciences.
Does it really PERSUADE anyone to holiness to tell them that "your old
sinful body may experience the terror of the Lord"? It is absurd. We
persuade men because unfaithful Christians will be raised in their bodies
to stand trial. The CHRISTIAN himself (not some old body) may then
experience the TERROR of the Lord. He is a consuming fire. If He sometimes
slays Christians in this life, He will certainly slay some of them there,
on the day of reckoning! -- Joey Faust
Well, it sure caused some to FEAR, when they saw Ananias and Sapphira get
their pilot lights blown out. They did not think it absurd (Acts 5:5).
Still, will anyone be persuaded of your view of terror being the lake of
fire or the JSOC? Something that you are forcing into the passage. But
then, how did these KNOW the terror of the Lord, not having experienced it?
And who were they passing the info on to and PERSUADING? Saints? Or
men? Now, it is time for Joey Faust to tell us the kind of a body that
will be "RAISED" to stand trial? If it is not the old mortal body, Joey
must then agree with me that it is the incorruptible body. If it is not the
new resurrected, glorified body, then what other body is there? Joey has
already committed himself to the view that the carnal Christians are not in
heaven, when they die. So, when they are "raised" and not "resurrected" as
Joey has also committed himself, with what kind of body are the carnal
Christian "raised?" Huh? If Joey claims that the terror of the Lord is the
slaying of Christians at the JSOC, then why cannot the slaying of
Christians in this life be termed the terror of the Lord (something he has
already said is absurd)? -- Herb Evans
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