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RE: [NWWC] One of these days...
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ELy-@BigFoot.com
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Sep 10, 2004 02:40 PDT
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Joyce - you make some great points about our focus. I'm looking forward to
reading your revised mission statement.
As to assigning points from non-road races: It's a moot point (no pun
intended) for 99.9% of the racers in the series anyway. I think there was
only one person in the Cat 4 series who requested non-road points. So the
impact to our racers by saying this is a road-only series should be minimal.
Regards,
Eric
-----Original Message-----
From: Joyce LaGow [mailto:joyce-@hotmail.com]
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 11:59 PM
To: NW-@topica.com
Subject: Re: [NWWC] One of these days...
The Cat 4 series next year will likely be participation-based, not points
based. Participation-based = cash/prizes resulting from racing a set number
of races on the WSBA calendar. It's my understanding that NWWC's objective
is to educate and inspire women cycling enthusiasts, so in my opinion the
cat 4 series should take the pressure off and encourage discovery.
* By making the series based on performance, you lose an audience with
weaker riders relatively quickly into the season.
* By making the series singularly focused on the road, you discourage riders
exploring other cycling activities like track
* By encouraging women to continue to race as the season matures, they will
become stronger and their results will improve which should in turn improve
the upgrade rate.
* I'm also in favor of including mid-week training races as well, but
primarily to support our local promoters and show them that women's cycling
is a viable contributor to their businesses.
However, we can't be responsible for tracking the results of every single
cycling event in the NW for beginning racers - it's overwhelming. I'd like
to continue the partnership w/ the MVA because there is so much cross-over
between road racing & track in the NW, but I don't see a reason to track mtn
biking, especially when they aren't governed by the USCF and race under a
different classification system and different rules.
I would support continuing the Cat 3 series on the road, and not including
the track, since I also think we don't want to be in the business of keeping
track of who is a 3 on the track as well - this would be business as usual
for the '05 season, yes?
This is a great topic for discussion for the core team.
Thanks again Eric for your thoughts! Good luck to Suz in SF and have fun :)
- JLG
----- Original Message -----
From: "MINDY ZIFFREN-Hall" <mzif-@msn.com>
To: <NW-@topica.com>
Sent: Thursday, September 09, 2004 7:49 PM
Subject: RE: [NWWC] One of these days...
Good points, thanks Eric! Now get some sleep and I"ll see ya soon!
Did we score other non-road events in this year's 2004 Series into our road
racing Series?
I don't think we should include points for any events outside of a Road
race. Perhaps I missed this point if it was included in this year's Series.
I feel strongly though that this is a Road series.
Thanks,
Mindy
| | From: Eric Lynch <ely-@bigfoot.com>
Reply-To: NW-@topica.com
To: NW-@topica.com
Subject: [NWWC] One of these days...
Date: Thu, 09 Sep 2004 21:09:22 -0400
I will learn to send e-mail properly.
Last night I wrote a very lengthy reply to Kirstin's excellent note about
her efforts tracking the Cat 4 series and a few concerns that she had. This
will be a very abridged version of what I spent much time writing, and to
my
great surprise appears to have never been sent. (Read: operator error)
First: Kirstin, many thanks for actig as pointskeeper for the Cat 4 series
for two years. You've done a stellar job in taking over from Sarah and
have
made the series possible for these beginner women. Good luck in your future
project management efforts!
Second: Here are the three items I think we should change in the series
"rules". I wrote long, long paragraphs on the "why" of my logic in the
"lost" e-mail. These are the short, but hopefully as effective, versions:
1. Cycling Events Outside the Series: Any cycling event outside of the
series that a rider participates in will count as 15 points for that rider.
These non-series events must be events that any Cat 4 rider could
participte
in as a beginner. Ie: Cat 4 track racing is fine, but Cat 3 is not. The
same
would be tru of mountain bike racing: Beginner races count; higer level
races do not. By this guideline, masters events would not qualify as other
racers in the senior ranks would not always qualify.
2. Stage races: I agree with Kirstin that we should not "triple score"
stage races. However not everyone does all three stages, so GC placing is
also somewhat biased. I propose that we offer 1/3 of the usuals points for
each stage in the race (ie: 1st place in any stage would be worth 33.3
poits
vs 100 points). A bit of a pain to score, but more fair to more riders in
more situations.
3. Last minute changes: As long as we send out regular updates to the
series on nwcycling in '05, I think it would be easy to put a reasonable
deadline by which time we will no longer accept "corrections". Since we
publish what we have to the listserv, it should be the riders'
responsibilities to verify their data is correct and let us know in a
reasonable time. Both Kirstin and I had people e-mail at the last minute,
and some even after the awards ceremony. So if we set a deadline and
publish
it, the riders should be able to work within the time frame we give them. I
hope that makes sense, as I am falling asleep as I write this.
I also hope my spelling errors are minimal tonight :-), but that's too much
to hope for. We're over-nighting in Montreal before heading to SF tomorrow
morning at 6 am (ouch), so I have an excuse this time.
See you next week,
Eric
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