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The Internet Anti-Fascist: Fri, 21 February 2003 -- 7:19 (#752)  Paul Kneisel
 Feb 25, 2003 19:41 PST 

           The Internet Anti-Fascist: Friday, 21 February 2003
                          Vol. 7, Number 19 (#752)

U.S. Terrorism From the White Right
    01) Anti Defamation League, "White Supremacist Radio Host Urges
        Bombings, Assassinations," 7 Nov 02
    02) Dennis B. Roddy (Post-Gazette), "Feds present bomb evidence against
        Klansman," 18 Feb 03
    03) AP, "Man Charged in Abortion Clinic Plot," 19 Feb 03
    04) Paul Shukovsky and Chris McGann (Seattle Post-Intelligencer), "Ex-
        Wife's Anger Leads To Arrests In Espionage Case: Woman Told FBI
        About Ex-Spouse, Documents Say," 8 Feb 03
    05) Bill Morlin (Spokesman Review), "Prosecutors say woman attempted to
        sell secret documents to activist -- Witness: Shredded paper links
        spy suspect,lawyer," 15 Feb 03
    06) Bill Morlin (Spokesman Review), "Suspect in judge-killing plot to
        represent self," 20 Feb 03
Web Sites of Interest:
    07) Nizkor
    08) Holocaust History Project
    09) The Einsatzgruppen Archives
Books On Holocaust Denial via Nizkor
    10) Lying About Hitler, by Dr. Richard Evans
    11) The Holocaust on Trial, by D.D. Guttenplan
More News and Comment On the Zundel Affair:
    12) Ken McVay (Nizkkor), "Ernst Zundel: Good Riddance to Bad Rubbish,"
        20 Feb 03
    13) Ken McVay (Nizkor), "Misc. Comments on the Zundel Affair #1", 20
        Feb 03
    14) Ken McVay (Nizkor), "Misc. Comments on the Zundel Affair #2", 20
        Feb 03
    15) Sara Saltzman, "Misc. Comments on the Zundel Affair #3," 13 Feb 03
    16) Hilary Ostrov, "Misc. Comments on the Zundel Affair #4," 13 Feb 03
    17) Steve Wolk, "Misc. Comments on the Zundel Affair #5," 13 Feb 03
    18) Campbell Clark ([Toronto] Globe and Mail), "Zundel probed as risk
        to national security," 21 Feb 03



01) White Supremacist Radio Host Urges Bombings, Assassinations
     Anti Defamation League
     7 Nov 02

[While dated, we reprint this here because activists from the far right
have just republished it on usenet, redefining the issue with their typical
dishonesty as something that "slanders" Turner and makes Turner the
"terrorist target" -- tallpaul]

White supremacist radio talk show host Hal Turner, known for incendiary
anti-Semitic and racist rhetoric, has caused concern in recent weeks by
explicitly encouraging extreme violence against Jews, other minorities, and
government officials. Among other measures, Turner has advocated bombings
and assassinations.

Turner hosts the "Hal Turner Show" (apparently from his home in North
Bergen, New Jersey, although he has a New York City mailing address). The
show is broadcast on weekday evenings by shortwave radio station WBCQ out
of Monticello, Maine, and reaches most of the country. It is also simulcast
on the Internet.

Turner's language and message are often extreme, and in recent months
Turner has repeatedly urged acts of violence and terrorism. On September
25, for example, Turner suggested to his audience that "it is time to start
killing Jews in the United States, cut their throat as they walk down the
street, drive by and blast them with a shotgun…throw Molotov cocktails
through their jewelry store windows and then Israel can ask us to stop."

Hal Turner

Turner encouraged his audience to "BOMB their synagogues, BOMB their
businesses, let's BOMB their homes, that's what I SAY because maybe when
these filthy Jew, mother f--- start dying en masse here in the United
States, they will pay attention over in Israel."

Jews are not the only target of Turner's exhortations toward violence.

On October 22, Turner told listeners that "if the INS can't do its job, and
round up these illegal aliens, then in my opinion, we people who are here
legally, should maybe think about drive-by shootings with machine guns in
front of every Mexican Consulate and kill every single one of these

On October 28, when a caller alleged that a federal judge stopped
expenditure for a new courthouse because the town was not diverse enough,
Turner opined, "I hope somebody assassinates that Federal Judge."

On Halloween, after hearing that "international observers" were coming to
monitor the upcoming election in Florida, Turner called on the people of
Florida to go to the polls armed and demand that the observers leave - or
kill them on the spot if they refuse.

Although Turner claims no formal affiliation with any white supremacist
group, his "Hal Turner Radio Network" broadcasts Aryan Nations programs and
provides air time to other white supremacist guests such as Matt Hale,
leader of the World Church of the Creator. Turner also sponsors other race-
baiting programs, among them Michigan white supremacist James Wickstrom's
"Yahweh's Truth."

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02) Feds present bomb evidence against Klansman
     Dennis B. Roddy (Post-Gazette)
     18 Feb 03

Ku Klux Klan leader David Hull told a government informant that he had
rigged his automobile to be a "suicide bomb on wheels" and said he planned
to recruit members in an unspecified criminal act late last year.

Hull, 40, of Amwell, Washington County, was arrested last week by federal
agents who said he built pipe bombs and had attempted to obtain hand
grenades for an abortion clinic bombing.

The revelations about a suicide bomb and recruitment as well as allegations
Hull had made homemade guns, had given an illegal silencer to an informant
and planned to conduct military training at Klan gatherings came in a
document submitted by prosecutors during a hearing in U.S. District Court

Hull is being held without bond and awaits a ruling tomorrow by federal
Magistrate Ervin Swearingen on whether he will get it.

The government document said that a witness said Hull detonated two pipe
bombs during a cross burning on Hull's property in midsummer of last year.
"We normally make them bigger," Hull told the informant.

During a 90-minute hearing today, Hull's defense lawyer, Khadija Diggs,
suggested her client had been entrapped. She also suggested that while Hull
had provided pipe, end caps and powder that could be used to assemble a
bomb, he had not built a bomb.

Questioning agent Louis Weiers of the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and
Firearms, Diggs remarked, "What you're basically alleging is that pieces of
what could be a pipe bomb were given by Mr. Hull to a confidential

Testifying on Hull's behalf were a neighbor, the Rev. Bruce Brandel of In
Christ Community Fellowship, and Hull's father, Dwight. Both men said they
would monitor Hull's conduct if he is granted bond.

Hull, wearing a gray, hooded sweatshirt, sat at the defense table,
occasionally blinking back tears, during the hearing.

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03) Man Charged in Abortion Clinic Plot
     19 Feb 03

PITTSBURGH -- A Ku Klux Klan member charged with making explosives planned
to blow up abortion clinics and told an informant he altered his car into a
"suicide bomb on wheels," prosecutors said Tuesday.

David Hull, 40, was arrested at his home last week and charged with
possessing, manufacturing and transferring a pipe bomb. He was being held
without bond; a hearing was scheduled for Wednesday.

Federal prosecutors filed court papers Tuesday accusing Hull of intending
to buy hand grenades to blow up abortion clinics and handing a disassembled
pipe bomb to an informant.

Hull also told the informant in January that he had altered his car to
become a "suicide bomb on wheels," authorities said.

During Tuesday's hearing, defense attorney Khadija Diggs suggested Hull was
the victim of entrapment and noted that while he handed the informant bomb
parts, it was not assembled. He declined comment after the hearing.

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04) Ex-Wife's Anger Leads To Arrests In Espionage Case: Woman Told FBI
        About Ex-Spouse, Documents Say
     Paul Shukovsky and Chris McGann (Seattle Post-Intelligencer)
     8 Feb 03

An espionage case that involves top-secret military documents, far-right
militias and a potentially grave threat to national security began to
unfold to the FBI thanks to an angry ex-wife.

Court documents and law enforcement sources say it was Deborah Davila, a
40-year-old schoolteacher, who came to authorities about her ex-husband,
Rafael Davila, 51, a former major and intelligence specialist with the
Washington National Guard.

He stands accused of taking perhaps hundreds of documents, including at
least one on chemical, biological and nuclear weapons, and she of sending
those documents out. The ultimate recipients, federal agents fear, were
radical, anti-government groups within the United States. The documents,
which filled a dozen or more boxes, remain missing.

They both have pleaded not guilty. A federal magistrate in Spokane ordered
them yesterday to remain in jail.

The idea of white supremacist and other right-wing groups studying these
top-secret papers worries law enforcement.

"They (the militia) are definitely still out there," said one federal
criminal justice source. "They cannot be discounted as a potential threat
as far as committing a terrorist act. The biggest concern is that you get a
Timothy McVeigh or Eric Rudolph."

McVeigh was executed for his role in the bombing of a federal building in
Oklahoma City that killed 168 people and injured 500 . Rudolph is on the
FBI's 10 Most Wanted list in connection with a series of bombings,
including the fatal bombing during the Atlanta Olympic games.

A picture of Deborah Davila has emerged as the driving force behind the
alleged scheme in which Rafael Davila used his former job at the National
Guard to destroy classified documents to steal them, according to federal
criminal justice sources and court records.

Deborah Davila used a longtime association with the bizarre cast of racist
and anti-government characters that frequented the Aryan Nations compound
in nearby Hayden Lake, Idaho, to peddle the secrets her husband had brought
home, according to federal agents and prosecutors. She is accused of
mailing top-secret documents to addresses in North Carolina, Texas and
Georgia. She supposedly pocketed a $2,000 fee at least once.

And even though Deborah Davila first went to the FBI more than three years
ago, her cooperation so quickly evaporated that she is now charged with
lying to the FBI about knowing Kirk Lyons, a North Carolina lawyer whose
client list reads like a Who's Who of Nazis, Klansmen and militia members.
The feds say they know she sent Lyons what they believe were classified
documents. Lyons denies it.

Asked why she would initiate contact with agents, then end her cooperation,
one source likened it to a battered wife who calls police, only to recant
and make the police the enemy when they show up at the door.

Lyons, who met Deborah Davila at his wedding more than a decade ago at the
Aryan Nations compound, characterized her as kind of flaky and "not very
bright." It may be the only point of agreement between Lyons and the
agents, who say their investigation hasn't come up with enough evidence to
bring charges against the lawyer.

Federal officials are characterizing Rafael Davila as a man whose former
wife nurtured his anti-government views. Spending time among radicals who
perceive the U.S. government to be the tool of a shadowy conspiracy further
forged his views.

So when Davila saw the opportunity to steal government secrets, he took it,
the officials said.

Davila denies any ties to Aryan Nations or any other anti- government
extremist groups.

According to an interview he gave to the FBI, Davila joined the Army out of
high school in 1969, spent 18 months in Vietnam, went into the Special
Forces and won a Bronze Star. He spent about 30 years in the Army and
reserve units around Washington.

He also worked for Kaiser Aluminum in Spokane for 19 years and was fired,
he acknowledged in court this week, for theft of company property.

He had admitted to the FBI that he stole the documents, then took them
home. He says he never got around to reading them. Davila told his FBI
interrogators that he believes it was Deborah who distributed the
classified files. Their marriage in 1999 lasted for about one year.

One official close to the investigation said anti-government radicals did
not single out Davila.

"I don't think this was a case where the militia targeted him to get this
stuff," said one official. "He was in position, he became sympathetic and
took the stuff."

Investigators have no evidence of a plan to use the information in a
terrorist act.

The real worry is that a large number of classified documents remain

"Who has the missing documents and what they will do with them is the
question out there," one federal source said.

At a detention hearing for the Davilas on Thursday, Special Agent Leland
McEuen testified that the documents "are worth on the black market millions
of dollars."

The documents would "have a huge interest to militia and terrorist
organizations. Based on that, I believe they are huge danger to the United
States," he testified.

Federal magistrate judge Cynthia Imbrogno ruled yesterday that the Davilas
must remain in custody to face espionage charges because they are a risk to
flee if freed. But she said there was not enough proof for prosecutors'
contention that the pair "poses a present risk to the safety of any person
or the community."

The charges reflect Deborah Davila's alleged role. Although the indictment
accuses both Davilas with unauthorized possession of the documents from
Jan. 1 to Aug. 20, 1999, only Deborah is charged with attempting to deliver
the documents to an unidentified person between Aug. 1-15, 1999.

Deborah Davila worked for a year as a special-education teacher at Cascade
High School in Everett. She resigned June 21, according to the local
superintendent's office.

Deborah (pronounced de-BORE-ah) Davila lived alone at the gray, two-story
Hallmark House Apartments in Marysville while she was teaching at Cascade

One neighbor, Eleanor Shipley, described her as quiet, soft- spoken and
nice, a convert to the Mormon Church.

"It really floored me when I saw her photo in the paper," said Eleanor

Shipley said Davila had been excited about moving when she left the area
and was talking about several job prospects in Hawaii.

Another neighbor, Debra Williams, had less pleasant memories of Davila's

"I always knew there was something funny about her," said Williams. "She
was a very, very weird woman."

Williams recalled knocking on Davila's door to look at a dining room table
and being chewed out. "She said, `You're all a bunch of losers around here
-every one of you.'"

She also recalled a fight Davila had had with a woman Williams assumed was
the woman's mother.

The older woman called Davila a "bad teacher and a bad person," said
Williams. "Deborah started throwing things, and called her a b- ---."

Both neighbors said the attractive, neatly dressed woman with the dishwater
blond hair had complained she had a stalker and had a restraining order on
the man. Shipley said Davila had a German shepherd, and claimed the man had
threatened to kill it. She told Shipley she took the dog to her brother's
someplace in Utah or Idaho for safekeeping.

Davila also told both neighbors that she was a widow. "She mentioned her
husband had died in the service," said Williams, who was surprised to hear
the husband was still alive and being charged with possessing national
security documents, along with Davila.

"You could never believe anything that came out of her mouth," she added.
"The stories ran rampant around here."

Davila, who also used the last name Cummings, has lived in College Place,
near Walla Walla, since at least July, when she began renting an apartment
across the street from the Police Department and City Hall, said Mike
Patterson, administrator of this Palouse town of 8,000.

Residents are "glad they got her."

"We didn't even realize the feds were around," Patterson said of her arrest
Tuesday. "They came in, did their job and quietly went away."

Davila commuted from College Place to Pasco, where she was a
special-education teacher at Pasco High School. Some teachers yesterday
said they didn't know Davila, who had been at the school for less than a
year. The Pasco School District has placed her on paid administrative


1999: The Federal Bureau of Investigation gets involved when Deborah Davila
calls FBI agents in Spokane, telling them about documents in her former
husband's possession. Instead of cooperating, however, she repeatedly lied
to agents and obstructed the investigation, according to Assistant U.S.
Attorney Earl Hicks.

Deborah and Rafael Davila are married for about a year around this time and
subsequently divorce. Hicks said the sale of the documents took place about
the same time, between Aug. 1 and Aug. 15, 1999. Rafael Davila retires as a
major in the Washington Army National Guard under honorable circumstances.

January 2000: The FBI interviews Rafael Davila, who says he stole documents
while he was a senior military intelligence officer with a top secret
rating with the National Guard's 96th Troop Command, based in Tacoma, and
that he believes his former wife distributed the documents.

January: The government obtains grand jury indictments against the Davilas.
The FBI found that more than 300 top-secret documents were illegally
distributed by Deborah Davila to addresses in North Carolina, Texas and
Georgia, court documents said. She received a total of $2,000 for her
efforts, the FBI said. The documents are missing.

Tuesday: The Davilas are arrested. They are being held without bail in the
Spokane County Jail.

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05) Prosecutors say woman attempted to sell secret documents to activist -
        - Witness: Shredded paper links spy suspect, lawyer
     Bill Morlin (Spokesman Review)
     15 Feb 03

The FBI painstakingly reassembled strips of shredded paper that agents
found at the home of Deborah Davila, a special-education teacher accused of
espionage, according to a grand jury witness.

At least one of the documents shows Davila had contact with attorney Kirk
D. Lyons, who has ties to anti-government activists ranging from the Branch
Davidians to the Ku Klux Klan.

Federal prosecutors say Davila tried to sell Lyons secret and top secret
military documents taken by her ex-husband. Lyons said he knows nothing
about the documents.

The witness, Dave M. Hollaway of Houston, said he flew to Spokane in late
January to look at the reassembled document and testify before a federal
grand jury.

Hollaway said the document he saw appeared to be a "love letter."

After hearing testimony in secret sessions, the grand jury indicted Deborah
Davila and her ex-husband, Rafael Davila, on espionage charges.

Rafael Davila is accused of illegally retaining national defense documents
while he was a ranking military intelligence officer for the Washington
Army National Guard.

Deborah Davila is charged with the same crime and additional counts of
attempting to sell the documents and lying to the FBI.

The documents contained information about various nations and biological
and chemical warfare, federal officials said.

On Friday, U.S. District Judge Robert Whaley ruled that the suspects should
remain in jail without bond until they stand trial.

"I believe the government has proven these people present clear and present
danger to the national security of the United States," Whaley said.

Roger Peven, the federal defender representing Rafael Davila, said he wants
his client out of jail in early March so he can donate bone marrow in
Seattle for his brother, who has cancer.

The judge could order federal marshals to accompany Rafael Davila to
Seattle for the procedure.

Friday's court hearing didn't shed new light on the case, which remains
shrouded in secrecy.

But Hollaway told The Spokesman-Review in an interview that he was
contacted last year in Houston by two FBI agents assigned to the espionage
case. He said he was surprised when he received a subpoena in January to
testify before the grand jury in Spokane.

Through another friend, Hollaway said he began corresponding with Deborah
Davila in the early 1990s. He met her for the first time in October 1991 on
a "blind date" at the Scottish Highland Games in Stone Mountain, Ga.,
Hollaway said.

Lyons and his wife, who had gotten married the year before at the Aryan
Nations compound in North Idaho, also attended the event.

Hollaway's brief relationship with Deborah Davilla ended after that three-
day weekend, Hollaway said. He said he never received any secret documents
from her.

When he was called before the grand jury, Hollaway said he was shown what
appeared to be a letter that had been shredded, then reassembled by the

Hollaway said the letter shows Deborah Davila had contact with Lyons.
Hollaway didn't provide other details or disclose who wrote the letter.

From 1992 to 1995, Hollaway served as director of a nonprofit legal
foundation Lyons formed called CAUSE, which stood for Canada, Australia,
United States and Europe. It was based in Black Mountain, N.C.

That organization was disbanded when Lyons formed the Southern Legal
Resources Center, also based in Black Mountain.

Lyons has represented various anti-government and white supremacy clients,
including those with ties to the Ku Klux Klan, posse comitatus and
Confederate flag case.

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06) Suspect in judge-killing plot to represent self
     Bill Morlin (Spokesman Review)
     20 Feb 03

COUER D'ARLENE -- A man implicated in a plot to kill a federal judge will
represent himself when he goes to trial on charges of possessing pipe bombs
and land mines.

Larry E. Raugust, who has ties to a militia group known as the "Idaho
Mountain Boys," demanded to be his own lawyer after a plea bargain fell

U.S. District Judge Robert Whaley of Spokane agreed to Raugust's request
Wednesday, but only after warning him at length of the legal dangers of
proceeding without a defense attorney.

The case was assigned to Whaley because Raugust is an unindicted co-
conspirator in an alleged plot to kill U.S. District Court Judge Edward
Lodge of Idaho. He handled the Randy Weaver trial in 1993.

Raugust, formerly of Odessa, Wash., has been in jail without bond since he
was arrested Oct. 3 near Lenore, Idaho, where he had been living.

Investigators say Raugust has affiliations with militia cells and an anti-
government group known as the Jural Society.

Investigators seized a cache of pipe bombs, homemade land mines, 13
firearms and 13,000 rounds of ammunition during searches conducted at the
time of Raugust's arrest.

He is scheduled to stand trial on June 9.

"I wish to present my own case with effective assistance of an attorney,
without relinquishing or changing venue or jurisdiction," Raugust told the

"What does that mean?" Whaley asked the 54-year-old defendant.

The judge wanted to know if Raugust was arguing that the court didn't have
any jurisdiction over him, but he didn't directly answer the question.

"Let's assume we have a witness on the stand," the judge asked Raugust.
"Who will question the witness?"

"At this time, I believe I will," Raugust responded.

Whaley told the defendant that he has a constitutional right to be his own

"You have a right to do that," Whaley said from the bench, "but it's also a
decision that has a lot of consequences."

The judge then questioned Raugust about his background. Raugust said he
graduated from Odessa High School and received military training.

Whaley told Raugust that recent court decisions don't favorably endorse the
concept of criminal defendants representing themselves.

The judge cautioned Raugust that he will be bound by Federal Rules of
Evidence, and won't have any experience in opening and closing arguments,
jury selection and making legal motions.

Whaley said if Raugust wants to testify in his own defense, he will be in
the awkward position of having to ask himself questions.

And if he elects not to testify, the jury still will have heard him speak
during the trial, and that may raise questions, Whaley said.

The judge told Raugust he will be up against a highly trained federal

"If you're convicted and want to appeal, you may not be able to claim your
own representation was inadequate," Whaley told Raugust.

"So, is it still your decision to waive your right to be represented by an
attorney and represent yourself?" Whaley asked after the lengthy
questioning. "Yes," Raugust quickly responded.

The judge said court-appointed attorney Mark Moorer, of Moscow, Idaho,
would continue to be in the court and act as standby counsel.

Three men, including Ken Scalf, of Addy, Wash., watched the proceeding.

"The Jural Society is a Christian society of men who just study the law,"
Scalf said after the hearing. "All of us want to see justice done



07) Nizkor

"Dedicated to the millions of Holocaust victims who suffered and died at
the hands of Adolf Hitler and his Nazi regime"

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08) Holocaust History Project

"The Holocaust History Project is a free archive of documents, photographs,
recordings, and essays regarding the Holocaust, including direct refutation
of Holocaust-denial." <http://www.holocaust-history.org/>

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09) The Einsatzgruppen Archives

"The Shoah is the entrance into our collection of documents, testimonies,
trial transcripts and photographs documenting the brutal history of the
Einsatzgruppen mobile killing units. Here we also explore early German
antisemitism and the roots of the shoah. Shoah is a Hebrew word meaning
'Desolation.' It is the preferred term for the 'Holocaust' by Jewish

"Our section on 'Holocaust Revisionism,' which is in reality merely thinly
veiled antisemitism, contain articles on modern antisemitism and hate
groups as well as rebuttals to holocaust denial. Michael Philips' excellent
spoof on "Revisionist" methodology, How to be a Revisionist Scholar, is
contained here.

"If you are a return visitor to this web site you may find our additions
page useful in keeping track of what is new or noteworthy."



10) Lying About Hitler, by Dr. Richard Evans

11) The Holocaust on Trial, by D.D. Guttenplan



12) Ernst Zundel: Good Riddance to Bad Rubbish
     Ken McVay (Nizkkor)
     20 Feb 03

Today's Globe and Mail reports that the German Embassy (Ottawa) confirmed
that Zundel is the subject of an outstanding warrant, apparently
because he failed to pay a fine legally imposed by a German court.

Zundel seems to have a difficult time with laws, having run from the one
that compelled him to serve in the German military, and having run from the
one that compelled him to remove his website, and having run from the one
that required him to hold a valid visa to remain in the United States.

Now we have the rather bizarre situation where Zundel, already
considered a threat to the national security of Canada -- and, I
suspect, given his fast track ticket out, to the United States as
well, now claims refugee status because he doesn't want to face
German justice.

In short, as he demonstrated when he tucked tail and ran from Canada 3
years ago, he's a coward, jackboots notwithstanding.

The Canadian Human Rights Commission is about to serve a Contempt of Court
citation on Zundel, which will, with any luck at all, result in his
receiving a free one way trip to Deutschland.

Good riddance to bad rubbish.

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13) Misc. Comments on the Zundel Affair #1
     Ken McVay (Nizkor)
     20 Feb 03

Persecution [of Zundel]? He thumbed his nose at Canadian civil and criminal
law, and peddled hatred for profit. In Canada, that's not acceptable.

I repeat: Zundel's a coward. He's happily prepared to advocate hatred, but
when it comes time to pay the piper, he runs.

Good riddance to bad rubbish.

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14) Misc. Comments on the Zundel Affair #2
     Ken McVay (Nizkor)
     20 Feb 03

[One of Zundel's supporters wrote that Zundel] "paid the piper many times.
The problem is that the piper was never satisfied."

Horsepucky. He has never complied with the order from the CHRT to
dismantle his website, and he's now facing a criminal contempt
citation as a result. That is, after all, why he ran from Canada in
the first place.

CSIS found him to be a threat to our national security, and Zundel
withdrew his citizenship application in order to prevent the SIRC
oversite hearings from continuing. He did so, in my opinion, because he
knew that CSIS had sufficient evident to support its finding, and he would
have been deported as soon as SIRC had reviewed that

Canada doesn't need Zundel back - he is a hatemonger of the worst
sort, with strong connections to extremists around the world, and
neither Canada nor the United States should tolerate his presence

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15) Misc. Comments on the Zundel Affair #3
     Sara Saltzman
     13 Feb 03

[Ingrid Rimland-"Zundel" Wrote] It seems that some people took it upon
themselves to start calling these agents on their own, allegedly even at
home, because I had given out the names. I was just informed by my attorney
that the government is planning to charge me criminally with harassment."

How delightful! Enrst goes to iail in Germany and Ingrid goes to federal

Who said things don't turn out right in the end!

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16) Misc. Comments on the Zundel Affair #4
     Hilary Ostrov
     13 Feb 03

Zundel's now toast. He'll be deported as soon as the papers arrive from
Germany. Because he chose to enter the US using the "Visa Waiver Program",
he's forfeited any right to appeal/contest the deportation order:


Who Is Eligible to Use the VWP?

To qualify for the VWP, you must:

Intend to enter the U.S. for 90 days or less;


What Are the Disadvantages of Using the VWP?

If the INS admits you under the VWP, you may not change or extend your
nonimmigrant status. If the INS denies your admission, you have no right to
administrative or judicial review, except as noted above. Likewise, if you
are found to have violated the terms of your admission, you also forfeit
the right to contest a removal order. Therefore, before using the VWP, you
should carefully consider your options.


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27) Misc. Comments on the Zundel Affair #5
     Steve Wolk
     13 Feb 03

[On Rimland-"Zundel"'s claim that she may be charged with "criminal

So the bigot population of the US is soon to be fewer by 2. A fine example
of adding by subtracting.


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18) Zundel probed as risk to national security
     Campbell Clark ([Toronto] Globe and Mail)
     21 Feb 03

OTTAWA -- Intelligence and immigration officials are building a national-
security case against Holocaust denier Ernst Zundel in a bid to bar him
from the refugee determination process and deport him to Germany,
government sources said Thursday.

The Canadian Security Intelligence Service is investigating whether Mr.
Zundel is a security threat, including whether he assisted or helped
finance violent white-supremacist groups, sources said. CSIS agents are to
interview Mr. Zundel Friday at the Thorold, Ont., detention centre where he
is being held.

The intelligence work could be a prelude to issuing what is called a
security certificate, signed by the Immigration Minister and Solicitor-
General, declaring Mr. Zundel a threat to national security. Such a
certificate would be grounds to exclude him from the refugee determination
process and deport him.

But no national-security certificate was signed Thursday, sources said. "We
have other steps to take first," one said.

Long viewed as Canada's most notorious Holocaust denier, Mr. Zundel was
returned to Canada on Wednesday by U.S. immigration authorities, who
determined he had overstayed his U.S. visa.

He has claimed refugee status in Canada, asserting that he would be
persecuted for his beliefs if he is returned to his native Germany, where
he is wanted on a warrant that accuses him of inciting hate. Mr. Zundel
will have a hearing Friday to determine whether immigration authorities can
continue to detain him.

Typically, anyone who claims refugee protection in Canada has the right to
a hearing before the Immigration and Refugee Board, a process that can take
months or years.

But the government can refuse refugee-determination access to claimants who
are national-security risks or serious criminals or who have violated human
rights. An officer who examines the claim when the person enters the
country can rule that it is "manifestly unfounded."

A government source confirmed Thursday that the government is working to
exclude Mr. Zundel from the refugee process. Another source said
immigration officials were exploring several means of doing so: "They are
looking at every avenue."

Immigration Minister Denis Coderre declined to comment specifically on Mr.
Zundel's case but said: "Those who would abuse the system should watch out
for the consequences. And if that occurs, I will make the decisions
necessary to ensure the system is not abused."

A German court convicted Mr. Zundel in 1991 of inciting hatred, but that
crime carries only a two-year jail sentence in Canada, not enough to remove
him as a serious criminal.

Last year, the Canadian Human Rights Tribunal ruled that his Web site
violates human rights. Thursday, a bailiff delivered a Canadian Human
Rights Commission notice to Mr. Zundel at the detention centre, warning
that the commission will seek to have him prosecuted for violating a
Federal Court order to remove the offensive material. But that does not
appear to be grounds for removing Mr. Zundel from Canada either.

In addition, it is unclear whether Mr. Zundel legally retains his
"permanent resident" status as a landed immigrant. Mr. Zundel, who came to
Canada in 1958, was a permanent resident when he left in 2001, but he may
have lost that status because he has lived out of the country and because
he left insisting he would not return.

However, a national-security certificate, which could be reviewed by the
Federal Court, would be grounds to deport Mr. Zundel, even if he is legally
a permanent resident.

CSIS advised the government in 1996, when Mr. Zundel sought citizenship,
that it had reason to believe he was a threat to national security.
Citizenship was refused.

Details of the CSIS dossier were not revealed, although an intelligence
source said Thursday that CSIS's counterterrorism unit spent a great deal
of time investigating Mr. Zundel's activities and any links with racist

The source noted that since the Sept. 11, 2001, terrorist attacks in the
United States, the government might be more willing to try to deport Mr.
Zundel on national-security grounds.

David Matas, a Winnipeg refugee lawyer who has worked closely with B'Nai
Brith Canada, said the government "dropped the ball" by not insisting that
the United States deport Mr. Zundel to Germany.

However, Mr. Coderre said that Canada was required to accept him under the
terms of a bilateral agreement that is invoked in hundreds of instances.

Mr. Zundel's wife in Tennessee has confirmed that her husband has claimed
refugee status.

"Ernst called me ... and told me that he was in Canada and has asked for
political asylum," Ingrid Rimland Zundel wrote on a Web site. "He asked me
to call some friends to bring him some money since he was not allowed to
have anything with him when he was arrested."

She wrote of supporters planning demonstrations and setting up a defence
fund, though it's not clear how many supporters Mr. Zundel has.

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