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Re: Further Answer to Len Bleier's Question  Alan James Spencer
 Jun 19, 2001 15:28 PDT 
Hi all,

In attempting to satiate Len's thirst for knowledge, let me explain that it
is the case that Doyles are not temporarily anything and also they are not
eliminated they are converted to conceptual memory. Nothing gets
eliminated, rather converted. This is something I had a little difficulty
digesting.

When a Doyle is traced, SUCCESSFULLY, the Doyle is converted, when the Doyle
is not successfully traced the offending Doyle will continue to be active.
What may give the illusion of a temporary conversion is when a combined
Doyle has been traced instead of the original offending Doyle, and relief
has been obtained as a result of that. The client difficulty arises again
as a result of the original Doyle doing what it does and continues to do.

Hypnosis is sometimes successful just as many other therapies, such as NLP,
and Regression therapies are sometimes successful. Each and all other
models are destined to fail on ocassions because, and purely because, the
teachers have not/will not, consider the concept of Doyles. Students and
practitioners of Hypnosis haven't got a chance of achieving reliable
results, and I may be in a position to know because I have tried and been
trained in most of them, including Hypnosis.

Yours very sincerely,
Alan:-)







----- Original Message -----
From: Len Bleier <contend-@yahoo.com>
To: <doyle-@topica.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 9:34 PM
Subject: Re: [Doyletics] Further Answer to Len Bleier's Question


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Hi,

Thanks for answering my questions! I have some more.
Why is hypnosis successful in eliminating, even only
temporarily, the effects of doyles? Any ideas on
hypnosis? Thanks.


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Hi Bobby,
Seems like you have anothe Alan on your line. I
agree that every trace is
successful, when and only when we use the mark and
hold correctly. I guess
you must get sick of folks wanting evidence so as to
be able convince
others. I sure am.

Beginning to understand
Alan:-)


----- Original Message -----
From: Bobby Matherne <Bob-@doyletics.com>
To: World-Wide Doyletics Listserv
<doyle-@topica.com>
Sent: Tuesday, June 19, 2001 1:23 AM
Subject: [Doyletics] Further Answer to Len Bleier's
Question


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Dear Len and other members of the List:

You asked about "free association" -- I suspect
you meant the type that is
 used in various therapy modalities such as
analytic psychology and
 psychoanalysis. Here's how I answered the question
earlier on the Red
Wagon
 doyletics webpage. I encourage everyone to review
the extensive material
on
 the web site from time to time. I came across this
segment when I was
 adding links to the new Childhood of Humanity
essay in which I establish
 the epistemological basis for doylic memory.

The Red Wagon Story is linked from the first page,
but here's the direct
 link:

http://www.doyletics.com/redwagon.htm

The segment is
    [[ 2.) In Chapter 16, pag. 16-11 in the last
three paragraphs you
 mention "...skilled counseling...therapist...".
Does that mean that it
 is only a question of selecting a good therapist
to do the job of
PANACEA!?
 
How would you then differentiate PANACEA! from
psychoanalysis? Should you
 give a short report to a psychoanalyst and to a
psychiatrist about
PANACEA!
 to show the differences between these two
disciplines and PANACEA!, how
 would you state them in summary and in points
(1..., 2...., 3..., etc.)?
 I would appreciate very much your responding to
this point in a way that I
 can later use with some friends psychoanalysts and
psychiatrists I intend
 to visit after I have experimented the tracing
process on my person.
 
     My suggestion is to save yourself the time and
effort. Neither
 disciplines you mention will credit some un-heard
of science as being the
 basis of their life's work. Their partial answer
is enough for them and
 you'll find, as Doyle has on umpteen occasions,
that their ears will be
 closed to your efforts and they will try to cure
you of what they regard
as
 your new found compulsion. ]]

I'll also call your attention to the next question
about PANACEA!, which
 for those of you who don't know about it, is the
software program in which
 Doyle created the first opportunity for folks,
unassisted by others, to do
 a trace using the computer as the Session
Director.
 
          [[ 3.) I would like to assess the
usability of PANACEA!
therefore,
 say, out of 100 people who have used PANACEA! how
many of them have been
 successful in their tracing process?

     I would like to say that when one understands
the red wagon story and
 does a Matherne Optimal Speed Trace [tm], that 90%
of the people will get
 it the first time, and the other 10% will need
some hand-holding and
 re-direction. Doyle can better testify to the
numbers for PANACEA!. For
 myself and the people I've worked with, we've
successfully eliminated
 every doyle that we traced. This is true for the
sustained doyles; the
ones
 that are ephemeral [transitory] are more difficult
and require several
 attempts, but even those are amenable to
elimination.]]
 


Someday we'll have a complete Index to every
keyword and where to find
 information about it on the doyletics website.
Till then nothing will
 replace a comprehensive reading of each webpage.

most cordially,

Bobby



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