Re: Hunger Pains: Digest for doyle-@topica.com, issue
478
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Bobby Matherne
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Nov 04, 2008 06:27 PST
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Shoshana Bregman wrote:
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Hi Bobby and George
This information is really helpful for me. I want to add that I recognize
in myself that I get hunger pangs (or craving for sweet foods) when what I
really need is love or attention, and then I trace this - Bobby, do you
think that tracing hunger pains takes care of this issue too, even if we
don't realize that the hunger comes from lack of love? Shoshana
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Dear Shoshana,
My first trace was to remove a tone of my voice which caused my wife to
feel pain in her gut when I used it. It went away after the trace and I
never thought about it again. Until several weeks later, we were eating
at our favorite restaurant and the waiter left a complimentary appetizer
and I began eating it. I found it delicious, but couldn't make out what
it was. Tuna fish, maybe? I put it on the crackers provided and ate most
of it. Del, my wife, liked it, too, so I asked her what she thought it
was, "Chicken liver pate" she said. I was incredulous! If there were a
tiny bit of liver in anything I ate, I knew it immediately from my
strong aversion to liver.
So, when the waiter came back, I asked him what that stuff was, and he
said, "Chicken liver pate", and noticing the bowl was empty, went
immediately back to the kitchen to bring us another bowl. Meanwhile, I
sat there slackjawed, unable to comprehend what was going on.
Later, I began to realize that some doyle I had traced must have removed
my dislike for liver. I was soon enjoying liver sausage, pate de foie
gras, and dirty rice (a Cajun dressing made with chicken liver among
other things). Things I would have liked to have eaten over the years,
but couldn't stand to eat.
Several weeks later, I awoke from a dream one morning in which I was
eating sauerkraut and enjoying it. Strange, I never did before in real
life. I knew this meant that another food dislike had mysteriously
disappeared. We went to our favorite restaurant and I ordered a Reuben
sandwich which I had yearned to eat because it looked delicious, all
except for the sauerkraut, which I couldn't stand. I felt at times a
traitor to my German heritage to not be able to eat sauerkraut. But no
more. I ate the Reuben and loved it. Another mystery! Another unanswered
question for me.
Soon, by talking to my mother, I began to piece together the mystery of
the liver and sauerkraut. My father hated them both. My mother probably
served us either one or both on several occasions and I being under five
at the time, was eating already when Dad, who worked shift work, came to
the table, he probably sat down sat the liver/sauerkraut, and said with
his strident tone of voice, "WHAT IS THIS %^&*?" That tone of voice was
the same one that when I used it, caused my wife pain. That tone of
voice, in order to make it, required me to hold my gut so tense that I
could not eat when it was that way.
When I did that first trace (I was using Doyle's old software in the
pre-speed trace days), that was the tone of voice I was tracing. And I
recall getting a vague image at that time of my dad yelling with that
tone.
The purpose of this story is to demonstrate how food dislikes can be due
to doyles which show up at other times or vice versa. Doyles are doyles,
simply doylic memories associated with some context, but which
generalize to lots of contexts. I had learned doylicly to steel my gut
as protection from my dad's voice, so it happened automatically. I
couldn't understand how my voice could hurt Del because it never
happened to me. I had an automatic protection. I also had learned to
talk with my gut steeled up that way and could create that same tone of
voice. But when my gut steeled up because of their smell and taste, it
kept me from eating liver and sauerkraut. These were all tied together.
I hope, Shoshana, that an answer to your question below has begun to
form. I never realized that sauerkraut and liver was related to a tone
of voice or my gut steeling up. But one speed trace solved it all. Yes,
that first trace was a speed trace, the very first one ever, because I
didn't follow the detailed instructions of the software, but went
speeding right on down past the original event and even unconsciously
asked myself the Plausibility QUestion and got an answer.
Start somewhere, anywhere with your problem and you will find solutions
everywhere. You get hunger pangs, so trace them away right away the next
time they appear and every time they appear. When in doubt, trace them
out. Soon you'll find it easier to get love and attention when you no
longer crave it or have to have it. Love happens spontaneously or not at
all. When you crave or demand something, anyone who gives it to you
feels as if they are being commanded and therefore they cannot give it
to you spontaneously, and the result is that you notice an absence of
love. So you get empty fulfillment and need to fill it up again, using
the same process of craving, and thus, no matter how much you eat or
crave affection, you never get enough, up until now.
Up until your first doyle traces on your cravings.
Yes, tracing hunger pains can take care of other issues, no matter if
you realize it or not. Doyles are simply bodily states. Trace them away
and you will never know how it will come out, but it will be for the
better because you will have options you never had before after a
successful doyle trace.
most cordially,
Bobby
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Principal Researcher
The Doyletics Foundation
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Shoshana Bregman wrote:
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Hi Bobby and George
This information is really helpful for me. I want to add that I recognize
in myself that I get hunger pangs (or craving for sweet foods) when what I
really need is love or attention, and then I trace this - Bobby, do you
think that tracing hunger pains takes care of this issue too, even if we
don't realize that the hunger comes from lack of love? Shoshana
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Tracing away hunger pangs: George's Success
By doyle-@cox.net
Re: Tracing away hunger pangs: George's Success
By libe-@pacific.net
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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 08:55:39 -0500
From: Bobby Matherne <doyle-@cox.net>
Subject: Tracing away hunger pangs: George's Success
On 10/28/2008 12:07:21 AM, George (ali-@notmail.com) wrote:
| | Hi Bobby. How are you?
Just wanted to let you know that though I am a big believer in
doyletics, as you know, I was, I admit skeptical of using it for
weight loss (tracing away the hunger).
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| | Well that was 10 pounds ago.
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| | I am now at 167 (and dropping). I have not been this trim since my
wedding - 11 years ago.!!
Thanks as always
George
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Dear George,
Great hearing from you. Thanks for the feedback on the weight loss. I
know it's worked for me. I was some 30 lbs above my 157. Eating less and
not feeling hungry does the trick every time while all the potentially
unhealthy diet fads come and go.
I would like to put up your feedback on the World-Wide doyletics list,
if you don't mind. Will use an alias if you like. Let me know.
warm regards,
Bobby
George (ali-@notmail.com) replied:
| | Of course you can use it!
I have dropped some weight in the past a number of times when I
decided "enough is enough" and I consciously ate less. Those times of
course lasted only briefly and the most I was able to drop was 5
pounds before the upswing. This has been consistent steady dropping
due to the fact that I simply do not get hunger pangs. (Once in a while
I still do but just trace it away). Simply Amazing!
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Thanks, George. That has been my experience. I really appreciate your
sharing. There are a lot of people out there who spend lots of money
to lose weight only to have the weight come back but not their money!
This method is so simple, no wonder you were skeptical. My reasoning
behind the hunger pang trace goes this way:
You're a baby and are fed immediately every time you're hungry. Then one
day your mother is too busy to feed you, perhaps a younger brother was
just born (happened to me), and you cry your eyes out. You cry so hard
and long that your stomach cramps up a bit. Those cramps get stored as a
doyle which will be later trigger when you're the least bit hungry. We
call them "HUNGER PANGS" or "HUNGER PAINS". You could go longer before
eating, but the pangs induce you to eat until they're all gone away. So
you eat proportionately as much food at 37 as you did at 2. And your
weight stay consistently up. Trace away those doylic pains in your gut
and eat a reasonable amount for your age.
Folks over 30 need to know that their metabolism slowed down at 30. That
means their body has automatically dampened its furnace and if they
continue stoking it with the same amount of coal, they will prematurely
destroy the furnace by the waste products of unused combustion which
necessarily accumulate in the furnace.
The purpose of the furnace metaphor to make the idea of metabolism real.
The point is simple, if you don't reduce your amount of food intake
after 30, all things else being equal, you will gain weight and never
lose till you die. Look around you at people you have known since
childhood who are 35, 40, 45, 50 etc. and you will find ample
confirmation of this fact about the human body and therefore about your
own.
The message is simple: if you're over 30 and have gained weight, eat
less. If you get hunger pangs, do a speed trace while the pangs are
present and they will go away and not return. Like Joss and I have both
found, you may have to do a couple of traces. As always, when in doubt,
trace them out!
most cordially,
Bobby
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~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~~^~
Bobby Matherne
Principal Researcher
The Doyletics Foundation
~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ ><(((°><°)))>< ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~
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Old & New Methods by Steiner http://www.doyletics.com/arj/oldnewme.htm
October Good Mtn Press Digest http://www.doyletics.com/digest08a.htm
Reviews & News ©2008 by Bobby Matherne ~^~ New Orleans, Louisiana ~^~
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Date: Tue, 28 Oct 2008 09:08:27 -0700
From: "Warren liberty" <libe-@pacific.net>
Subject: Re: [doyletics] Tracing away hunger pangs: George's Success
Dear Bobby,
This was an excellent response to a very helpful letter.
Warren Liberty
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From: "Bobby Matherne" <doyle-@cox.net>
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Sent: Tuesday, October 28, 2008 6:55 AM
Subject: [doyletics] Tracing away hunger pangs: George's Success
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On 10/28/2008 12:07:21 AM, George (ali-@notmail.com) wrote:
| | Hi Bobby. How are you?
Just wanted to let you know that though I am a big believer in
doyletics, as you know, I was, I admit skeptical of using it for
weight loss (tracing away the hunger).
|
| | Well that was 10 pounds ago.
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| | I am now at 167 (and dropping). I have not been this trim since my
wedding - 11 years ago.!!
Thanks as always
George
|
Dear George,
Great hearing from you. Thanks for the feedback on the weight loss. I
know it's worked for me. I was some 30 lbs above my 157. Eating less and
not feeling hungry does the trick every time while all the potentially
unhealthy diet fads come and go.
I would like to put up your feedback on the World-Wide doyletics list,
if you don't mind. Will use an alias if you like. Let me know.
warm regards,
Bobby
George (ali-@notmail.com) replied:
| | Of course you can use it!
I have dropped some weight in the past a number of times when I
decided "enough is enough" and I consciously ate less. Those times of
course lasted only briefly and the most I was able to drop was 5
pounds before the upswing. This has been consistent steady dropping
due to the fact that I simply do not get hunger pangs. (Once in a while
I still do but just trace it away). Simply Amazing!
|
Thanks, George. That has been my experience. I really appreciate your
sharing. There are a lot of people out there who spend lots of money
to lose weight only to have the weight come back but not their money!
This method is so simple, no wonder you were skeptical. My reasoning
behind the hunger pang trace goes this way:
You're a baby and are fed immediately every time you're hungry. Then one
day your mother is too busy to feed you, perhaps a younger brother was
just born (happened to me), and you cry your eyes out. You cry so hard
and long that your stomach cramps up a bit. Those cramps get stored as a
doyle which will be later trigger when you're the least bit hungry. We
call them "HUNGER PANGS" or "HUNGER PAINS". You could go longer before
eating, but the pangs induce you to eat until they're all gone away. So
you eat proportionately as much food at 37 as you did at 2. And your
weight stay consistently up. Trace away those doylic pains in your gut
and eat a reasonable amount for your age.
Folks over 30 need to know that their metabolism slowed down at 30. That
means their body has automatically dampened its furnace and if they
continue stoking it with the same amount of coal, they will prematurely
destroy the furnace by the waste products of unused combustion which
necessarily accumulate in the furnace.
The purpose of the furnace metaphor to make the idea of metabolism real.
The point is simple, if you don't reduce your amount of food intake
after 30, all things else being equal, you will gain weight and never
lose till you die. Look around you at people you have known since
childhood who are 35, 40, 45, 50 etc. and you will find ample
confirmation of this fact about the human body and therefore about your
own.
The message is simple: if you're over 30 and have gained weight, eat
less. If you get hunger pangs, do a speed trace while the pangs are
present and they will go away and not return. Like Joss and I have both
found, you may have to do a couple of traces. As always, when in doubt,
trace them out!
most cordially,
Bobby
--
~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~~^~
Bobby Matherne
Principal Researcher
The Doyletics Foundation
~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ ><(((°><°)))>< ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~
Uncle Tungsten - Oliver Sacks http://www.doyletics.com/arj/uncletun.htm
Old & New Methods by Steiner http://www.doyletics.com/arj/oldnewme.htm
October Good Mtn Press Digest http://www.doyletics.com/digest08a.htm
Reviews & News ©2008 by Bobby Matherne ~^~ New Orleans, Louisiana ~^~
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