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Re: Holding Doyles  Jonathan Hardy
 Aug 07, 2005 04:43 PDT 

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Thank you Bobby. did some work once about expressions after Darwins note on
facial movements. it is possible by breathing deeply to enhance and
expression and even sense the feeling behind it which we may have forgotten.
Sort of bioenegetic thing that could lead into some tracing I guess.

J

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From: Bobby Matherne
Date: 08/07/05 20:54:29
To: doyle-@topica.com
Subject: Re: [doyletics] Holding Doyles

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Jason wrote:

 Hi Bobby,

I tried a trace on my dislike of fish oil (which was lime flavoured
too). I held my expression of disgust and didn't notice any
disappearance of it below the age of 5, probably because I was
consciously holding the tension. It may have worked, I'm not sure yet.
When I took the fish oil again the next day, I felt disgust again, but
my facial expression was either less, or I have other facial doyles that
aren't so strong.

Dear Jason,

The best way of tracing any doyle is to have it HOLDing you while you trace
it.
The next best way is to HOLD it consciously while tracing it.

Now it is true that if you HOLD a muscle tension consciously after an
initial
trigger, you may not notice when it requires a slight more conscious effort
to
HOLD it after you go below the original event below five. And even if you do
that as apparently you did, the trace will be successful as apparently yours
was.

If the facial component of the doyle is gone or less, now put your attention
on
the rest of the digust doyles. For food dislikes that can have several
components. It can be tight jaw muscles, throat muscles, problems swallowing

Find those doyles and trace them. REmember this is an exercise to learn to
do
tracing. Unless you really want to take this fish oil comfortably, there's
no
need to do any more traces using it. Given your initial indications of
success,
you may wish to go on to trace real problems now.


 Today, I tried the trace on a persistent feeling of sad limerance. I was
feeling sad because I'll never see this girl again as she's going back
to her home country. Anyway, it's not exactly pleasant to feel this type
of loss, so I traced it and it seemed to disappear around age 0-1 years
of age. Don't know if it will ever come up again. All I did was count
down, and think the words quickly without even focusing on being any of
the ages. Is this the correct way to do it?

Sounds like it may have worked. Will take time, many months or years before
you
can be sure, if ever.

 I'm not sure how I feel about eradicating this doyle. Pretty neutral
really, if I did. So many songs are written to bring up this kind of sad
feeling, and I may have just gotten rid of it for good :)

I noticed you said sad, but not painful. If it were painful, I'd say trace
it
immediately. For just sad, I'd doubt I'd wish to trace it myself. But this
is an
individual decision. The fact you even thought to do indicates you had some
impetus within you to do it. Don't second-guess yourself, unless doing so is
a
hobby of yours is my suggestion.

Save your tracing for big problems in your life when they arise.

Good work on the fish oil food dislike trace.

Good doyles to you,

most cordially,

Bobby



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<DIV>Thank you Bobby. did some work once about expressions after Darwins note on facial movements.  it is possible by breathing deeply to enhance and expression and even sense the feeling behind it which we may have forgotten.</DIV>
<DIV>Sort of bioenegetic thing that could lead into some tracing I guess.</DIV>
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<DIV>J </DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><I><B>From:</B></I> <A href="mailto:doyle-@cox.net">Bobby Matherne</A></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><I><B>Date:</B></I> 08/07/05 20:54:29</DIV>
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<DIV dir=ltr style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt"><I><B>Subject:</B></I> Re: [doyletics] Holding Doyles</DIV></DIV>
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<DIV>dialogue among doyletics users and researchers.</DIV>
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<DIV>Jason wrote:</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>> Hi Bobby,</DIV>
<DIV>></DIV>
<DIV>> I tried a trace on my dislike of fish oil (which was lime flavoured</DIV>
<DIV>> too). I held my expression of disgust and didn't notice any</DIV>
<DIV>> disappearance of it below the age of 5, probably because I was</DIV>
<DIV>> consciously holding the tension. It may have worked, I'm not sure yet.</DIV>
<DIV>> When I took the fish oil again the next day, I felt disgust again, but</DIV>
<DIV>> my facial expression was either less, or I have other facial doyles that</DIV>
<DIV>> aren't so strong.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Dear Jason,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The best way of tracing any doyle is to have it HOLDing you while you trace it.</DIV>
<DIV>The next best way is to HOLD it consciously while tracing it.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Now it is true that if you HOLD a muscle tension consciously after an initial</DIV>
<DIV>trigger, you may not notice when it requires a slight more conscious effort to</DIV>
<DIV>HOLD it after you go below the original event below five. And even if you do</DIV>
<DIV>that as apparently you did, the trace will be successful as apparently yours</DIV>
<DIV>was.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>If the facial component of the doyle is gone or less, now put your attention on</DIV>
<DIV>the rest of the digust doyles. For food dislikes that can have several</DIV>
<DIV>components. It can be tight jaw muscles, throat muscles, problems swallowing.</DIV>
<DIV>Find those doyles and trace them. REmember this is an exercise to learn to do</DIV>
<DIV>tracing. Unless you really want to take this fish oil comfortably, there's no</DIV>
<DIV>need to do any more traces using it. Given your initial indications of success,</DIV>
<DIV>you may wish to go on to trace real problems now.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>> Today, I tried the trace on a persistent feeling of sad limerance. I was</DIV>
<DIV>> feeling sad because I'll never see this girl again as she's going back</DIV>
<DIV>> to her home country. Anyway, it's not exactly pleasant to feel this type</DIV>
<DIV>> of loss, so I traced it and it seemed to disappear around age 0-1 years</DIV>
<DIV>> of age. Don't know if it will ever come up again. All I did was count</DIV>
<DIV>> down, and think the words quickly without even focusing on being any of</DIV>
<DIV>> the ages. Is this the correct way to do it?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Sounds like it may have worked. Will take time, many months or years before you</DIV>
<DIV>can be sure, if ever.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>> I'm not sure how I feel about eradicating this doyle. Pretty neutral</DIV>
<DIV>> really, if I did. So many songs are written to bring up this kind of sad</DIV>
<DIV>> feeling, and I may have just gotten rid of it for good :)</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>I noticed you said sad, but not painful. If it were painful, I'd say trace it</DIV>
<DIV>immediately. For just sad, I'd doubt I'd wish to trace it myself. But this is an</DIV>
<DIV>individual decision. The fact you even thought to do indicates you had some</DIV>
<DIV>impetus within you to do it. Don't second-guess yourself, unless doing so is a</DIV>
<DIV>hobby of yours is my suggestion.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Save your tracing for big problems in your life when they arise.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Good work on the fish oil food dislike trace.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Good doyles to you,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>most cordially,</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Bobby</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
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<DIV>Structure of Magic I by Bandler&Grinder <A href="http://www.doyletics.com/art/som1art.htm">http://www.doyletics.com/art/som1art.htm</A></DIV>
<DIV>Secret Brotherhoods by Rudolf Steiner <A href="http://www.doyletics.com/arj/secretbr.htm">http://www.doyletics.com/arj/secretbr.htm</A></DIV>
<DIV>Latest Good Mountain Press Digest <A href="http://www.doyletics.com/digest.htm">http://www.doyletics.com/digest.htm</A></DIV>
<DIV>Reviews & News by Bobby Matherne ~ New Orleans, Louisiana</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>~^~ Home Page  <A href="http://www.doyletics.com">http://www.doyletics.com</A>   ~^~</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Relief is just a Trace Away! When in Doubt, Trace it out!</DIV>
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