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Dec 09, 2003 23:41 PST
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etni Digest Tue, 09 Dec 2003 Volume: 01 Issue: 127
In This Issue:
[etni] the article on Y net
[etni] Fw: Projects
[etni] NBA Changest
[etni] Re: Reading for Punishment
[etni] Fw: Meitzav 5th grade
[etni] Fw: ynet article
[etni] Fw: Moduel A
[etni] 8th grade meitzav test
[etni] Fw: re: Projects
[etni] Re: The new NBA instructions
[etni] 5th grade Meitzav test
[etni] Fw: summer bagrut for NS
[etni] Fw: Meitzav Grade 5
[etni] Native English Teacher
[etni] Fw: looking for experienced English teacher - ORT
[etni] 8th grade Meitzav
[etni] Re: Fw: Meitzav Grade 5
[etni] Re: Fw: re: Projects
[etni] Re: Meitzav test
[etni] Re: Fw: Projects
[etni] Fw: electronic dictionaries
[etni] Fw: re: writing book reports in class
[etni] The History of EFL in Israel
[etni] 8th grade meitzav
[etni] Re: Reading for Punishment
[etni] presenting Projects
[etni] Re: presenting Projects
[etni] Fw: re: Moduel A
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From: "david burrell" <bare-@zahav.net.il>
Subject: [etni] the article on Y net
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 12:11:30 +0200
Personally, I find it hard to repute the figures given in the article,
although it only presents half the truth, conveniently skipping over the
extra hours taught in the Passover holidays, the special study timetables
for 12th.grade students that many schools organise after the Passover
holidays and the extra assignments that 12th. grade teachers check.
Fortunately for us, no mention is made of the fact that the same disruptions
and reductions in study hours occur in the 10th. and 11th. grade as well,
albeit on a reduced scale, as a result of the exam spacing policy promoted
by the ministry in an attempt to improve bagrut grades by reducing the
tension associated with the high exam- density of the old system, whereby
students took all their bagrut exams in the 12th. grade.What is even more
embarrassing for us as a profession is that the net result of the spacing
policy is:1) Severe disruption to school routine and school discipline.
2) An unjustifiable reduction in
study hours in all grades.
3) The provision of extra
ammunition to those who enjoy portraying teachers as serial shirkers.
4) The general decline of the
Israeli education system from its high point in the 1960s to
its shamefully low
international rating today.
The spacing policy is yet another example of the superficial cosmetic
changes that educational administrators have felt obliged to make from time
to time in the last 30 years, which have drained all the rigour and academic
dicipline out of our education system, with the result that our students are
grossly under challenged and decadently spoilt.
Let us do our country,our students and our public image a favour by
admitting that spacing is a total failure and by offering to go back to the
system whereby all bagrut exams are held in the 12th. grade and all schools
are obliged to provide special post Passover timetables of intensive studies
built around the exam schedule.In our heart of hearts, we know that the
present system is both ineffective and untenable. David Bar El.
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From: "Ask Etni" <as-@etni.org>
Subject: [etni] Fw: Projects
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 15:07:17 +0200
----- Original Message -----
From: Joan Orkin joa-@013.net.il
Subject: Projects
I wonder if teachers could suggest how each student can bring a project to
the oral if there is only one project per group of students.
The second problem is if a student does a project and then moves schools.
What is he/she supposed to do? Whilst, he/she will be able to talk about the
project he/she will not be able to produce it.
I think the problems I raise here are reasons why there was no instruction
for students to bring projects to the oral, initially.
I feel guilty raising this problem as there seem to be no end of questions
from the teachers - but, I am a bit concerned.
I suppose a creative solution may be that each student needs to photocopy
the final project. That barring the problems with expense seems to me to be
the only solution.
Any ideas?
Joan Orkin
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Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 06:22:28 -0800 (PST)
From: Rivka Lewenstein <rle-@yahoo.com>
Subject: [etni] NBA Changest
Hi,
Last night, I had just come home from giving a workshop on the NBA and
projects when I read Judy Steiner's latest letter and I almost
hyperventilated! No, I'm not saying I'm sorry that life has been made a
little easier for us, just that I wish it had come a little earlier - like
before I spent all that time explaining something which has now changed. Oh,
well, I guess I shouldn't complain...
I know that at least two others have already written their questions about
the letter, so what I'm about to write may be a bit superfluous.
Nevertheless, I'd like to add on my two cents' worth as reinforcement to
what's already been posted.
1. If I understood correctly, from now on only one project must be done, and
it can be done at any time from 10th to 12th grade. Correct?
2. If the grade for the project is not included in the school grade this
year and next, how exactly are we supposed to calculate the school grade?
Will we get any instructions, or can we do what we want?
3. What does it mean לפי שיקול דעתו של המורה? (And like Bari, I have no
problem translating the words.) Does this mean that there are no more
specific project requirements such as the number of sources needed,
bibliography etc.?
Waiting for further explanations,
Rivka
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From: "Gary Zone" <gary_-@hotmail.com>
Subject: [etni] Re: Reading for Punishment
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 16:20:17 +0000
| | Forced reading is not pleasurable. What has happened is that many students
have come up with very creative ways of cheating on book tasks and have
become masters in deception.
I sincerely believe in encouraging reading, but first the students must be
readers in their native tongue.
I have overcome some of the problems by letting my students choose any
level they feel comfortable with. I would rather they read honestly at a
low level than cheat at a high level.
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Bravo! Or as the French would say, 'exactement!'.
As a reading partner in an elementary school, I even let one student bring a
comic book to read. It was The Simpsons. I couldn't believe that one of the
words in that children's(?) comic book was 'plutocrat'. I had heard of the
word, but we both had to look it up in the dictionary.
Sometimes there are surprises even in comic books.
BTW, I would hesitate to recommend a comic book to ESL students. When I was
studying Spanish in Mexico after retirement, I picked up a comic version of
the history of Mexico, thinking that the cartoons would make the exercise
easy and enjoyable. Wrong! Comic books use a lot of idioms and especially
slang that would be understood by a native speaker, but leaves a learner out
in the cold. Comparable to an English comic book that might have, for
example, 'Jawana go to the beach?'. Who. other than a native speaker or
someone completely comfortable in English could decipher 'jawana'? It sure
ain't in the dictionary (although "ain't" might be!).
Gary
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From: "Ask Etni" <as-@etni.org>
Subject: [etni] Fw: Meitzav 5th grade
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 19:13:32 +0200
----- Original Message -----
From: <hopeb-@NewMail.Net>
Subject: Meitzav 5th grade
Hello
I agree to every word Renee and Rachel mentioned.
Were the LD students in the 8th grades allowed to use electronic
dictionaries?
How is the ministry going to consider students who have "PTOR" from
spelling mistakes?
Thanks
Hope
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From: "Ask Etni" <as-@etni.org>
Subject: [etni] Fw: ynet article
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 19:50:04 +0200
----- Original Message -----
From: "bonnie" <bon-@actcom.co.il>
To: <as-@etni.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 7:09 PM
Subject: Re: ynet article
I personally do not understand why teachers are such a guilt ridden
population. Those of us who are dedicated and do their work responsibly as
well as attempt to keep up on changes and innovations, more than compensate
for any "lost" bagrut hours. We seem to believe that everything negative
comment that is made about is true. We often re-enforce the idea we are not
deserving of our salaries or that the lack of status of our profession is
justifiable. I don't mean to say that here is no need for improvement or
internal housekeeping, but why are we so masochistic?
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From: "Ask Etni" <as-@etni.org>
Subject: [etni] Fw: Moduel A
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 21:36:19 +0200
----- Original Message -----
From: Bavli bavl-@zahav.net.il
Subject: Moduel A
I have an 11th grade student with special LD oral exam who is going to do
moduel A on January 15th. How exactly do I test her? This is the first time
we have a student with an oral exam.
Orit
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From: "Leah Edri" <leah-@hotmail.com>
Subject: [etni] 8th grade meitzav test
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 19:13:42 +0000
Hi everybody
This is a third time that I see a Mitzav test. As I remember the previous
ones were given towards the end of the year.
In my opinion, the test would have been more fair had it been given later.
For my average pupils- the 2nd text was rather difficult, and the 2 nd
writing assignment as well.
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From: "Ask Etni" <as-@etni.org>
Subject: [etni] Fw: re: Projects
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 21:56:06 +0200
----- Original Message -----
From: "Adele Raemer" <rae-@nirim.co.il>
Subject: Re: [etni] Fw: Projects
Although the projects are a group effort, my learners each have their own
portfolio, with their own contribution to the group effort. It's all in how
you plan it.
Adele
Joan wrote:
| | I wonder if teachers could suggest how each student can bring a project to
the oral if there is only one project per group of students.
The second problem is if a student does a project and then moves schools.
What is he/she supposed to do? Whilst, he/she will be able to talk about
the project he/she will not be able to produce it.
I think the problems I raise here are reasons why there was no
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instruction
| | for students to bring projects to the oral, initially.
I feel guilty raising this problem as there seem to be no end of questions
from the teachers - but, I am a bit concerned.
I suppose a creative solution may be that each student needs to photocopy
the final project. That barring the problems with expense seems to me to
be the only solution.
Any ideas?
|
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From: "Bari Nirenberg" <nire-@actcom.co.il>
Subject: [etni] Re: The new NBA instructions
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 18:48:20 +0200
| | NOTHING in the new instructions stops
teachers from including the project as a test, quiz or however
they want to. On the other hand, it allows teachers who are
skeptical about the validity of a group grade, the freedom to
assess the project in the manner which they deem fit.
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We always had this freedom. There was nothing in the guidelines that said
that projects HAD to be done in groups and the rubrics that we were given
were only examples of ways to assess the projects.
As for the first point, though I'm sure that the intention was for us to use
the project grade as we see fit, technically, what you say here isn't true,
as the instructions say that for students now in 10th and 11th grade, the
project will NOT be part of their school grade, yet quizzes and tests, of
course, ARE part of the school grade. I suspect that the instructions were
simply not worded carefully, as it doesn't seem logical for us not to be
able to use the project grade at all.
Bari
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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 20:09:08 +0200
From: Mara and Yosef Moshe <mom-@netvision.net.il>
Subject: [etni] 5th grade Meitzav test
Thanks so much to Renee for her professional and careful comments about the
test yesterday. I too felt so badly for the kids that were trying to hard to
figure out what was being asked of them. I was able to stop the tape in one
class and give the kids time to think but the "official" in the other class
would not allow it and i wasn't there to insist. There was just not enough
time for the kids to think and figure out what was being asked of them.
The "weekly newspaper" section was so difficult. I think some students would
have had difficulty with the same task even if it was in Hebrew. What is the
point of frustrating the kids and making them feel so inadequate? In my
opinion some of the questions and answers seemed designed to trick them.
To whoever is involved in designing these tests: Please include elementary
school teachers who are currently in the field to help design these tests in
the future.
The only consolation is that we can now get back to teaching normally.
mara
| | Grade 5 - I think that many parts of the test (especially the accessing
information from written texts, otherwise known as reading comp) tried to
assess the benchmarks that should be reached by the END of the foundation
level e.g the end of grade 6. More specifically:
Listening 1 was fair; even easy.
Listening 2 was more difficult, but doable if the teacher was allowed to
stop the tape while the pupils marked each answer, in order to give the
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kids
| | time to think (and we DO want them to think, don't we?)
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From: "Ask Etni" <as-@etni.org>
Subject: [etni] Fw: summer bagrut for NS
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 21:34:48 +0200
----- Original Message -----
From: Linda kuras Mizrahi lind-@actcom.net.il
Subject: summer bagrut for NS
I wanted to know if the writing tasks for the summer bagrut for the native
speakers are the same as for this winter and regular summer bagrut
(description and opinion)?
Thanks in advance.
Linda Kuras Mizrahi
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From: "Ask Etni" <as-@etni.org>
Subject: [etni] Fw: Meitzav Grade 5
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 21:57:42 +0200
----- Original Message -----
From: Ayelet ayel-@actcom.net.il
Subject: Meitzav Grade 5
I was wondeing if the Meitzav tests for grade 5 can be seen anywhere online?
My daughter is in the 5th grade and after seeing all the comments about the
test, I questioned her about how she felt. In her opinion, the test was
easy and too short. The instructions were clear. The listening was easy
(she just didn't know what a "neck" was) and so was the writing. She said
that this was the opinion of her whole class, but one girl.
I still haven't seen my 8th graders to ask them...
Ayelet
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Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 11:13:45 -0800 (PST)
From: Sharon Manor <sharon-@yahoo.com>
Subject: [etni] Native English Teacher
Kadima JHS requires native speakers teacher for
immediate start/grades. Good conditions, small
classes of well behaved kids and pleasant atmosphere
20 hrs per week.
Pls call Sharon asap on 054 999834
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Subject: [etni] Fw: looking for experienced English teacher - ORT
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 06:34:39 +0200
ORT comprehensive high school in the central area looking for experienced
English teacher including Bagrut preparation till end of year. Possibility
of future employment.
Please contact Sara at 056-437478.
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From: "Fruma Cohen" <fruma-@hotmail.com>
Subject: [etni] 8th grade Meitzav
Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 20:12:29 +0000
The test was an absolute joke!! The kids kept asking if we didn't give
them the 5th grade test by mistake. Our LD kids couldn't do it but all the
others (close to 300) were done within 30 minutes. I know they didn't do
great on the writing part (task 7) but other than that it was way tooooo
easy. Does anyone know why the other writing (task 6) was canceled?
Fruma
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From: "Bari Nirenberg" <nire-@actcom.co.il>
Subject: [etni] Re: Fw: Meitzav Grade 5
Date: Tue, 9 Dec 2003 22:20:14 +0200
My son said the same thing. He's an English speaker (well, sort of), but
his classmates aren't and he said they all thought it was easy.
Bari
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----- Original Message -----
From: Ayelet ayel-@actcom.net.il
Subject: Meitzav Grade 5
I was wondeing if the Meitzav tests for grade 5 can be seen
anywhere online?
My daughter is in the 5th grade and after seeing all the comments
about the
test, I questioned her about how she felt. In her opinion, the test was
easy and too short. The instructions were clear. The listening was easy
(she just didn't know what a "neck" was) and so was the writing. She said
that this was the opinion of her whole class, but one girl.
I still haven't seen my 8th graders to ask them...
Ayelet
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Date: Tue, 09 Dec 2003 23:21:38 +0200
From: sarag <sar-@netvision.net.il>
Subject: [etni] Re: Fw: re: Projects
Hi Adele,
Are you talking about the process file? How do you organize it for each one
to hand in his own work? This souns really interesting.
(And re the oral exam - I think they have to come with the final project,
not the process file.)
sara
sara g in israel
sar-@netvision.net.il
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Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 9:56 PM
Subject: [etni] Fw: re: Projects
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Adele Raemer" <rae-@nirim.co.il>
Subject: Re: [etni] Fw: Projects
Although the projects are a group effort, my learners each have their own
portfolio, with their own contribution to the group effort. It's all in
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how
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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 00:00:00 +0200
From: Liya Barak <lia-@netvision.net.il>
Subject: [etni] Re: Meitzav test
Finally the histery is over, and we can return back to normal teaching! Did
I say" normal"? and what about the "wasted" months which were dedicated
solly to preparing for the "MEIZAV"? Wake up teachers! What have we been
doing for the last months? We have been cheating ourselves. What did we
want to prove? That we are excellent teachers, that our schools are reaching
results that are far above the norms, that we are cooperating with the
system. Unfortunately, it happens to be, the same system we are opposing, or
actually, yearning to improve... We're doing that by feeding it with
distorted data. On the one hand, we witness in our soul and blood, that we
are in desperate need for assistance, for adjusting material to different
population etc. On the other hand - when THE DAY comes - we exempt our weak
pupils from doing the test (without warning them. I've met some real
frustrated kids who don't understand why they were not allowed to attend the
test, .One of them told me: I'm probably "mefager"... In other cases, pupils
reported that the teachers actually "helped" them find the answers. In
other cases pupils were simply told to stay at home... They didn't even
have to fake an excuse. )What does all this tell about US? What message are
we teaching our pupils? A test which is supposed to mirror the state of the
education, actually mirrors nothing but US!! GOOD SIMHAS and don't forget to
be update with the class curriculum! Or you'll be punished by the
inspector...
P.S . All this excludes, by definition ,some Zadikim in Sedom...LIYA:
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Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 8:09 PM
Subject: [etni] 5th grade Meitzav test
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Thanks so much to Renee for her professional and careful comments about
|
the
| | test yesterday. I too felt so badly for the kids that were trying to hard
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to
| | figure out what was being asked of them. I was able to stop the tape in
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one
| | class and give the kids time to think but the "official" in the other
|
class
| | would not allow it and i wasn't there to insist. There was just not enough
time for the kids to think and figure out what was being asked of them.
The "weekly newspaper" section was so difficult. I think some students
|
would
| | have had difficulty with the same task even if it was in Hebrew. What is
|
the
| | point of frustrating the kids and making them feel so inadequate? In my
opinion some of the questions and answers seemed designed to trick them.
To whoever is involved in designing these tests: Please include elementary
school teachers who are currently in the field to help design these tests
|
in
| | the future.
The only consolation is that we can now get back to teaching normally.
mara
| | Grade 5 - I think that many parts of the test (especially the accessing
information from written texts, otherwise known as reading comp) tried
|
|
to
| | | | assess the benchmarks that should be reached by the END of the
|
|
foundation
| | | | level e.g the end of grade 6. More specifically:
Listening 1 was fair; even easy.
Listening 2 was more difficult, but doable if the teacher was allowed to
stop the tape while the pupils marked each answer, in order to give the
|
kids
| | time to think (and we DO want them to think, don't we?)
|
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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 00:23:31 +0200
From: Yisrael and Batya Medad <ybme-@netvision.net.il>
Subject: [etni] Re: Fw: Projects
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At 15:07 09/12/03 +0200, Ask Etni wrote:
| | I suppose a creative solution may be that each student needs to photocopy
the final project. That barring the problems with expense seems to me to
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be
Considering all, that would be a good idea.
Don't the kids doing 5 point biology do group projects that they have to
present orally?
Batya
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From: "Ask Etni" <as-@etni.org>
Subject: [etni] Fw: electronic dictionaries
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 06:41:06 +0200
----- Original Message -----
From: "Shoshana Silver" <shosi-@hotmail.com>
To: <as-@etni.org>
Sent: Tuesday, December 09, 2003 10:27 PM
Subject: electronic dictionaries
I did a search on etni to find which electronic dictionaries are
recommended (I was asked by an 11th grade parent) but came up with no hits
(how is that possible?) - so I must ask this much-asked question again-- I
would appreciate an official response as to which electronic dictionaries
are allowed for use on the bagrut - and of course, which are user-friendly,
supply other important info besides definitions, etc.
BTW, The link to dictionaries (I believe from a chozer mankal?) on etni was
not useful in terms of a specific recommendation.
TIA,
Shoshana
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From: "Ask Etni" <as-@etni.org>
Subject: [etni] Fw: re: writing book reports in class
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 06:46:34 +0200
----- Original Message -----
From: "Sarah Gilboa" <sara-@netvision.net.il>
Subject: Re: [etni] Fw: writing book reports in class
It would be interesting to see the form you hand out in class ! SARAH
You wrote:
| | I teach in a large and well-established high school in the north, where
there are at least 3 five point classes each year. This year I got a 5
point class which had been taught by another teacher for two years before
coming to me. I discovered that I had much to do in getting them to read.
I have them do book reports in class on a special form which I give out
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when
| | they've completed the book and bring it with them. They can't do it at
home.
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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 06:53:57 +0200
From: Judy Yaron <yaro-@macam.ac.il>
Subject: [etni] The History of EFL in Israel
Dear People,
In honor of ETAI's 5th INTERNATIONAL CONFERENCE, which celebrates the Silver
Jubilee of ETAI, the first year EFL students at Levinsky College are
creating an exhibition - "The History of EFL in Israel". The exhibition aims
to tell our story: where we began and how far we have come.
We would like to get as many people as possible involved in our project. So,
if you have any old material, stories to tell from your experience as a
student and/or a teacher or simply ideas, which you would like to share,
please contact us ASAP.
Kol tuv,
Judy Yaron and Dorit Telor-Reiza
Levinsky College
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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 07:15:54 +0200
From: michele ben <ben-@internet-zahav.net>
Subject: [etni] 8th grade meitzav
Hi!
I think the test was fair for the average kids, easy for the
strong ones and very difficult for the weak ones.
Nevertheless, the listening comp with the picture was really
confusing! I made a mistake the first time I heard it.
Furthermore, we had a tape in one of the rooms that was
garbled. Another thing that was confusing was matching the
speech bubbles on one of the versions. Are these tests
piloted with a few classes to see if the kids actually
understand what is requested of them or are they composed
and then descend on us on the test date without going on a
dry run?
Michele
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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 07:16:00 +0200
From: michele ben <ben-@internet-zahav.net>
Subject: [etni] Re: Reading for Punishment
Hi List,
golomb wrote:
| | Forced reading is not pleasurable. What has happened is that many
|
students have come up with very creative ways of cheating on book tasks and
have become masters in deception.
| | I sincerely believe in encouraging reading, but first the students must be
|
readers in their native tongue.
| | I have overcome some of the problems by letting my students choose any
|
level they feel comfortable with. I would rather they read honestly at a
low level than cheat at a high level.
I agree. But, on the other hand, kids today don't read at any level in any
language. Therefore, I think it is extremely important to have the kids
read books in English - and some
class time should be spent reading. The article by Krashen that was linked
to the ETNI and one the first rticle in the ETAI Forum magazine clearly show
that reading is essential for
true language acquisition. My Hebrew and English (native) are almost equal
in level, even though I almost never read for pleasure in Hebrew. But
that's because I read very quickly in
English and at a regular pace in Hebrew. However, our kids need to be able
to read in English to function in life. Even the weak ones who need to be
able to read basic instructions or
signs just to go abroad or buy a product from abroad. I have had many
pupils say that they don't enjoy reading but they are happy they were made
to read in English because in the end
they enjoyed the books. I have one pupil in the 8th grade who likes a
genre - fantsy science fiction - that doesn't really exsit in Hebrew and he
reads in English. The funny thing is
that his active language is not that great and he tends to misunderstand
words but whatever he understands from the books and context he seems to
enjoy so why not? And the weak ones are
really pround of themselves after they finish a book in English, even if it
is just a 9 page adapted reader with two sentences on a page. Reading is
not punishment. It is a present
that we should make every effort to convince our pupils to accept.
Michele
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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 07:06:31 +0200
From: sarag <sar-@netvision.net.il>
Subject: [etni] presenting Projects
My oldest son did a 5 point "madai-technologi " project with another boy,
but they were orally tested on it (by external testers) TOGETHER.
sara g in israel
sar-@netvision.net.il
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| | I suppose a creative solution may be that each student needs to photocopy
the final project. That barring the problems with expense seems to me to
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Considering all, that would be a good idea.
Don't the kids doing 5 point biology do group projects that they have to
present orally?
Batya
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Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 07:46:09 +0200
From: Yisrael and Batya Medad <ybme-@netvision.net.il>
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At 07:06 10/12/03 +0200, sarag wrote:
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My oldest son did a 5 point "madai-technologi " project with another boy,
but they were orally tested on it (by external testers) TOGETHER.
sara g in israel
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Then shouldn't that be the model for our kids? Why try to reinvent the
wheel, making it different, like not round?
It's another example of how badly planned the NBA is. What may sound good
in theory is unworkable in real life. There are many religious high
schools with barely three hours a week of English. (And no internet,
too) They can handle reading comprehension, since the kids have decent
study skills, but projects don't fit.
Batya
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From: "Ask Etni" <as-@etni.org>
Subject: [etni] Fw: re: Moduel A
Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2003 08:06:57 +0200
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From: "Judy Kemp" <kem-@netvision.net.il>
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Sent: Wednesday, December 10, 2003 7:48 AM
Subject: Re: [etni] Fw: Moduel A
Dear Orit,
All the instructions about LD oral exams are up on etni
(Accommodations for LD pupils for the Bagrut Exams).
I don't think that there is a difference between the old and
new bagrut for this population.
Judy
Orit wrote:
| | I have an 11th grade student with special LD oral exam who
is going to do moduel A on January 15th. How exactly do
I test her? This is the first time
we have a student with an oral exam.
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