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RE: [TC-NET] Testosterone trail [last day of nil replacement]
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Martin & Val
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Jan 09, 2009 22:10 PST
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Hi Guys
First of all I would like to thank everyone who gave me their support.
I would like to first add that although there are the two weekly or the
three monthly injections, for me that is the way I do not want to go. Daily
is simple and in my view is more easily monitored
Ok, the product I am testing. At first I thought what a load of crap as I
considered it a few steps backwards to the Testogel. Now having had my third
dose I am changing my mind and of course when the product hits the market it
may not be in the form that I am using now.
What I have it a plunger bottle that produces X amount of fluid per pump.
That is put into a container similar to an eye cleaner container but of a
latex type of structure. By leaning forward and applying the 'container' to
the armpit that being keeping the container level, then rubber under the
armpit. I have to use one 'container level per armpit i.e two dosages. The
fluid dries in seconds. Apart from giving the container a quick wash in cold
water, life goes on. The good thing there is no trying to open the gel
packet as sometimes only scissors will do it, or disposing of them
afterwards. The application is localised and you do not even have to worry
above any transference on your hands.
Guys, it is early days. Underarm hair does not seem to matter, but there is
a question over the type of deodorant used and when. Time will tell. The
main thing for me at the moment is that I am feeling better each day, so
watch this space for any updates
By the way I now know what libido is and I didn't need a dictionary to find
out. Just something that yelled out a very loud ...... GOOD MORNING
.... this morning.
martin
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Kinney [mailto:kinn-@verizon.net]
Sent: Wednesday, 7 January 2009 11:59 PM
To: 'Martin & Val'
Subject: RE: [TC-NET] Testosterone trail [last day of nil replacement]
How about some details about this new med? What is it? How is it taken?
Detail Martin Details..... I need em bud
-----Original Message-----
From: TC-NET: The Testicular Cancer Online Support Group
[mailto:TC--@LISTSERV.ACOR.ORG] On Behalf Of Martin & Val
Sent: Wednesday, January 07, 2009 4:39 AM
To: TC--@LISTSERV.ACOR.ORG
Subject: [TC-NET] Testosterone trail [last day of nil replacement]
Hi guys and Gals
December 11th I stopped applying Testogel, making ready for a wash out
period of one week before having a blood test for the start of the new
testosterone product that I have been asked to trail. Now it is January 7th
2009, thirty odd days of nothing. In one way I feel privileged to have
experienced a window in the lives of Nick O'Hara Smith, David Joel and my
crazy mate from Adelaide, Jonny Graham. All of which were subject to the "I
am God' attitudes of their endocrinologists. What a crap journey it has
been. The Aussie levels of testosterone for a male, range from the low of
seven to the high of thirty. After one week I was below one. I found that
out tonight. I have gone twenty one days after that. How do I feel? Huh, I
am just too tired to even type a few ablatives. I have had night sweats, day
time hot flushes, the feeling of all the strength sucked out of my muscles,
waking up at night feeling as if my body wanted to scream, yet I felt
totally relaxed. For one week I do not think I slept at all, I am just too
tired to remember. Libido? What the hell does that mean? Yet my attitude has
been good. I am calm; I feel yet not to react. I understand yet not to
comment. I do my work with myself as my own company. All this I have had to
do to contain any unexpected changes in my personality.
Tomorrow though, I go for a blood test and then my first dose of the new
product. I almost feel like a junkie hanging out for a fix. I just long to
feel so much better. To be able to sleep at night. To dream the dreams of a
normal person. To not have hot flushes when someone I care for gets too
close to me. To make love to my wife who has been my partner, best friend
and soul mate for near forty years and to not feel as I now like someone
that is collapsing within themselves.
It was my choice and my choice alone to assist in this world wide trail. My
reason for this email is to bring awareness of those who came before us and
gave us the information so we do not have to suffer, through the ignorance
that they had to. The choice of being one month totally testosterone
deficient was mine alone. How Nick and David survived for the years they did
I cannot even comprehend.
Martin
One note though for Mark, if you would not mind. I was asked not to eat
anything that contained grapefruit as it affected testosterone levels. Mark,
maybe you could you explain more. Thanks
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