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RE: [errancy] McDonald-Till Debate
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elya-@prodigy.net.mx
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Aug 07, 2007 19:25 PDT
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Chip Kempston wrote:
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--- elya-@prodigy.net.mx wrote:
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Chip Kempston wrote:
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--- elya-@prodigy.net.mx wrote:
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Chip Kempston wrote:
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--- elya-@prodigy.net.mx wrote:
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Chip Kempston wrote:
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--- Ian Dorion <elya-@prodigy.net.mx>
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> gcc wrote:
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> > > IAN
> > > The wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are
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being
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> > > supporting Israel for over 60 years
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now.
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> > GCC
> > The wars in Irag and Afghanistan are
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not
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> > altrusitic feelings towards Israel,
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but
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>> interests of the
> > administration now in power. Trust
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me.
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> IAN
> Were it not for our undying financial
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and
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>> support for Israel
> none of the kidnappings, attacks on our
embassies,
>> military, and lastly
> the WTC on 9-11 would not have been
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attacked.
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>> did not go to war with
> Iraq because they had anything to do
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with
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>> because they had
> WMD, or ties to al Qaida, or were a
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threat
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>> or Israel. We did
> not even go to war because SH was a
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tyrant
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>> the Iraqi people
> needed a tyrant to keep peace in the
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country.
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>> went to war with Iraq
> becuase he was giving the families of
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suicide
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> the homes Israel was
> bukdozing and our reward was to be big
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business
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>> oil. Most of this
> shit took place long before GWB became
president.
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CHIP:
So, before the modern state of Israel was
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created,
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goat-herders
>who wanted to be left alone. Is that what
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you're
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IAN
What I am saying or trying to get across is
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that
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and the entire War on Terror is in reality a
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war
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| | | | Israel and Israel
does not belong there as a nation. Israel
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is
| | | | | | | | costing us billions, going
on to trillions of dollars and is also
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costing
| | | | us
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eyes, brains, genitals, and our freedoms.
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There
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Resolutions against Israel than any other
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nation
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| | | | the US have vetoed
every one of them. To top it all off,
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Israel is
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Middle East to spy on us. And please don't
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forget
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USS
Liberty
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CHIP:
Well, you should communicate more clearly if
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that's
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said.
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"Were it not for our undying financial and
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military
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attacks on
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9-11
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You have no way of proving this and most
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evidence
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culture
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Israel
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you
| | | | | | believe them when they say they are fighting
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us
| | | | | | because of our "Zionism" proves that you are
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simply
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hate
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Sharia
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The
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Imperialism"
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IAN
What would you take as proof? Granted they may
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have
| | | | hated Christians
since the time of the Crusades and who can blame
them? When did the
kidnappings, the hijackings, the bombing of our
embassies and military
start? Little if any started until after Israel
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was
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Palestine. I hardly think that makes me
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gullible.
| | | | I let the facts
speak for themselves.
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CHIP:
I can blame them. Muslims brought the crusades on
themselves by attempted to overthrow every country
between Asia Minor and Spain. They started it.
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IAN
Then you shoild not blame the Arabs (Canaanites),
now Palestinians for
wanting to kill off the Jews who (according to the
Old Testament) went
in and killed off the Arabs. They started it!
Ian Dorion
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CHIP:
Well, you'd have to assume the Biblical record of the
Exodus and conquest of the Holy Land was true for your
argument. You willing to do that? Didn't think so.
There's a big difference here. The Bible records
something that may have happened once a long time ago.
The Koran teaches continual conquest and never-ending
war against infidels.
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IAN
Please Chip McDonald, do not put words in my mouth that do not come from
my mouth. I take w3hat the Jews believe and use them against them. If
the Jews believe they came into Canaan and killed all the people, I say
turn about is fair play. You still have not shown mr where the muslims
have attaked the US prior to the UN partition of Palestine. Put up or
or shut up seņor!
Ian Dorion
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