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RE: [errancy] McDonald-Till Debate
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Chip Kempston
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Aug 08, 2007 08:23 PDT
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--- elya-@prodigy.net.mx wrote:
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Chip Kempston wrote:
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--- Dennis Burdette <time2-@frontiernet.net>
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time2-@frontiernet.net wrote:
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| | >CHIP:
I can blame them. Muslims brought the
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crusades on
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country
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started
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IAN
Then you shoild not blame the Arabs
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(Canaanites), now Palestinians for
| | | | | | wanting to kill off the Jews who (according
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to
| | | | the Old Testament) went
| | | | | | in and killed off the Arabs. They started
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it!
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DB
I was curious where it was stated that
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theJews
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IAN
You're joking or you're trying to waste my
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time.
| | | | I can't believe you
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Ian Dorion
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DB
Interesting bedside matter. I think that you
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should
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your derogatory comments when what you write is
clearly wrong. First,
although you can find support for your claim, it
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is
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the Arabs of today are the Canaanites of old
(assuming that this is
what you claim); I suspect that many of your
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sources
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that Israelites are of Canaanite descent too.
Second, however, you
used the OT as reference which clearly
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demarcates
| | | | Arabs and Canaates;
therefore, per your reference your comments are
simply wrong. You
would have a better argument, although still
argumentative, if you
claimed that some Lebanese are of Canaanite
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descend.
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you would have a hard time defending your
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arguments.
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I suspect that you are attempting to twist the
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data
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theories can be justified.
There is certainly tension reflecting in you
referenced, the OT,
between Israelites and what it calls Arabs.
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History
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that Arabs were the initial aggressor into what
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was
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Jewish land.
Tensions in the Middle East are undoubtedly more
related to Arab
Palestinian aggression than Israel's. Clearly,
Israel is only trying
to survive amidst a majority that wishes to
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destroy
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majority of Palestinians could have their way
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and
| | | | could murder every
Jew in the Middle East, there would still be
problems in what would
then called Palestine. The Palestinians would
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start
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themselves (as we have recently seen).
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Incursions
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Arab countries would make the situation worse.
The Arab world has plenty of land to resettle
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the
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problem is that they do not want to resettle
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them.
| | | | The kings of Jordan
was presented with great problems when they
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tried to
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Palestinians following the formation of Israel.
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As
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Arab countries do not really wish to help the
Palestinians (for fear
of them), although they are happy to use them to
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get
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I am not a Jew but would agree with Golda Meir's
statement: "Peace
will come when the Arabs will love their
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children
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us." The problem in the Middle East is Arab
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hate.
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CHIP:
I put it like this one time: if the Jews laid down
their arms today, the Arabs around them would
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destroy
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there
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situation. Evidence of this fact is that every
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time
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some more.
IAN
Let's see if I understand what you are saying. If a
gang of cut throats
from Europe come over and kick you and all your
neighbors out of your
homes and busnesses you should do nothing about it.
As long as the cut
throats do not go after you, you should leave them
alone. Is this what
you are telling me?
Also, you still have not shown me where the
Arabs/Muslims have attacked
Americans or US interests prior to the partition of
Israel.
Ian Dorion
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CHIP:
Well, that's not what happened, for one. The Jews
bought the land the lived on when they came to
"Palestine." The Muslims didn't seem to care until
the numbers grew, and then the tensions grew.
I already responded to your last request. Muslims
weren't organized enough, nor did they have the means
prior to the last century, to attack the U.S. or its
interests. The only other comment I made on this was
that you should avoid an oversimplified post hoc argument.
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