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RE: [errancy] McDonald-Till Debate
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elya-@prodigy.net.mx
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Aug 12, 2007 16:17 PDT
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time2-@frontiernet.net wrote:
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The Jews did buy some land and that is all well and good. Then the UN
partitioned Israel against the will of the Palestinians. The
Palestinian leaders told their people the Jews were going to slaughter
them in the hopes of raising an army or rebellion and the Palestinians
were stupid enough to believe them and fled. Then the Israeli's would
not let them return and passed laws making these properties Israeli
lands.
Ian Dorion
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DB
So if the Palestinian leaders lied to the people, who was at fault in
this? Israel or the Palestinian leaders. Do we really think that the
Palestinian leaders would do differently today?
As for the land, I believe that there was a bit of a war and some
lengthy times or lapse from the land involved.
I will leave this to thread to you and Chip. Frankly I could not
resist when I saw some of your statements.
Thanks,
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IAN
I don't suppose any of you, Chip and most epecially DB as well as others
have ever given any consideration to the possibility that you may have
been brainwashed at some point in your life by your parents, teachers,
preachers, the press, president, and other politicians, or the Madison
Avenue clique? Well, I have been.
I was brainwashed during the Vietnam War and it took until sometime
after Nixon got elected for me to realize that the peaceniks and flower
children were right.
Of course the churches and various cults also tried brainwashing me and
I guess they did for a while with their reincarnation bullshit. I
didn't wake up until I sat down and read the Bible for myself.
But Israel! They have been brainwashing Americans about Israel for over
60 years, about poor fucking Israel. Let anybody say a bad word about
Israel and he'll get shut up in a hurry (Think back to John Dean who
merely said something to the affect that we should treat the
Palestinians equally - and he is married to a Jewish lady. That ended
his chances for president.)
They say the Nazis killed 6,000,000 Jews. That is true! But that is
not true! It all depends on how you count a Jew. John Kerry is of
Jewish parents. Their last name was Kohl. When they immigrated to this
country they changed their name to Kerry and their religion to Roman
Catholic so the Jewish lobbies do not count him as a Jewish Senator BUT
if he died in one of the concentration camps, they would damn sure count
him as a Jew.
You say the Palestinians deserve to lose their homes because they
believed their leaders when told the Jews were going to slaughter them.
What the hell would you have done if during the cold war you were told
the Russians were going to A-Bomb the area you were living in and the
Russians said they weren't?
So I was brainwashed just like the rest of you about Israel until
shortly after 9-11 (about Nov 01) when my friend,Juan, interupterd a
conversation he was having with Antonio (in Spanish) and asked me, "Ian,
where is Palestine?" I started to answer, thought better of it, and
told him I would check and let him know in the morning. I had no
Internet at that time because I did not have a telephone (this is
Mexico) so I checked in my 'Information Please Almanac 1995' and lo and
behold, no Palestine. This led me to study the histories of Israel and
the surrounding countries and in April 2002 I finally got a telephone
and Internet service which opened mabny doors for me.
All of you seem to think the Arabs and Muslims are all Evil. That's a
word that really bothers me. RR and his Evil Empire followed by GWB and
his Axis of Evil. That's the way to get the Christians and apparently
even the atheists riled up. If you really look at the situation, it is
the US, Israel and the UK which make up the real Axixs of Evil.
Iraq had no WMD, they had nothing to do with 9-11, no ties to al Qaida,
they were no threat to the US or for that matter to Israel. They did
however pay the families of (Freedom Fighting) suicide bombers $25,000
for the homes the Israelis bulldozed with American Catterpillars.
Something not even the Nazis did to the French or Polish Freedom
Fighters.
You DB say you would give your life to combat evil and from the way you
talk, you consider the Arabs/Muslims Evil. What branch of the service
are you in? Why don't you join the Marines and put your fat ass on the
line? Too old? Volunteer for other duty in Iraq. Get your kids to
enlist! Find out where some of these evil people are, strap a bomb
around your chest like they do and blow your ass up. I'm willing to bet
I have more military time than all of you put together so tell me how
fucking brave you are.
How many of you have read Jimmy Carter's 'Palestine: Peace not
Apartheid'? or perhaps Ali Abunimah's 'One Country'? or even Andrew
Hurley's 'One Nation Under Israel'? I had a copy of the last one sent
to Till a couple years ago but never heard a word back from him.
That's more than I've written in a long time but I had all weekend to
think about it.
Ian Dorion
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