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RE: [errancy] McDonald-Till Debate
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Chip Kempston
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Aug 13, 2007 15:05 PDT
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--- elya-@prodigy.net.mx wrote:
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time2-@frontiernet.net wrote:
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| | IAN
The Jews did buy some land and that is all well
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and good. Then the UN
| | | | partitioned Israel against the will of the
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Palestinians. The
| | | | Palestinian leaders told their people the Jews
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were going to slaughter
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rebellion and the Palestinians
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Then the Israeli's would
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properties Israeli
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DB
So if the Palestinian leaders lied to the people,
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who was at fault in
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really think that the
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As for the land, I believe that there was a bit of
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a war and some
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I will leave this to thread to you and Chip.
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Frankly I could not
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Thanks,
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IAN
I don't suppose any of you, Chip and most epecially
DB as well as others
have ever given any consideration to the possibility
that you may have
been brainwashed at some point in your life by your
parents, teachers,
preachers, the press, president, and other
politicians, or the Madison
Avenue clique? Well, I have been.
I was brainwashed during the Vietnam War and it took
until sometime
after Nixon got elected for me to realize that the
peaceniks and flower
children were right.
Of course the churches and various cults also tried
brainwashing me and
I guess they did for a while with their
reincarnation bullshit. I
didn't wake up until I sat down and read the Bible
for myself.
But Israel! They have been brainwashing Americans
about Israel for over
60 years, about poor fucking Israel. Let anybody
say a bad word about
Israel and he'll get shut up in a hurry (Think back
to John Dean who
merely said something to the affect that we should
treat the
Palestinians equally - and he is married to a Jewish
lady. That ended
his chances for president.)
They say the Nazis killed 6,000,000 Jews. That is
true! But that is
not true! It all depends on how you count a Jew.
John Kerry is of
Jewish parents. Their last name was Kohl. When
they immigrated to this
country they changed their name to Kerry and their
religion to Roman
Catholic so the Jewish lobbies do not count him as a
Jewish Senator BUT
if he died in one of the concentration camps, they
would damn sure count
him as a Jew.
You say the Palestinians deserve to lose their homes
because they
believed their leaders when told the Jews were going
to slaughter them.
What the hell would you have done if during the cold
war you were told
the Russians were going to A-Bomb the area you were
living in and the
Russians said they weren't?
So I was brainwashed just like the rest of you about
Israel until
shortly after 9-11 (about Nov 01) when my
friend,Juan, interupterd a
conversation he was having with Antonio (in Spanish)
and asked me, "Ian,
where is Palestine?" I started to answer, thought
better of it, and
told him I would check and let him know in the
morning. I had no
Internet at that time because I did not have a
telephone (this is
Mexico) so I checked in my 'Information Please
Almanac 1995' and lo and
behold, no Palestine. This led me to study the
histories of Israel and
the surrounding countries and in April 2002 I
finally got a telephone
and Internet service which opened mabny doors for
me.
All of you seem to think the Arabs and Muslims are
all Evil. That's a
word that really bothers me. RR and his Evil Empire
followed by GWB and
his Axis of Evil. That's the way to get the
Christians and apparently
even the atheists riled up. If you really look at
the situation, it is
the US, Israel and the UK which make up the real
Axixs of Evil.
Iraq had no WMD, they had nothing to do with 9-11,
no ties to al Qaida,
they were no threat to the US or for that matter to
Israel. They did
however pay the families of (Freedom Fighting)
suicide bombers $25,000
for the homes the Israelis bulldozed with American
Catterpillars.
Something not even the Nazis did to the French or
Polish Freedom
Fighters.
You DB say you would give your life to combat evil
and from the way you
talk, you consider the Arabs/Muslims Evil. What
branch of the service
are you in? Why don't you join the Marines and put
your fat ass on the
line? Too old? Volunteer for other duty in Iraq.
Get your kids to
enlist! Find out where some of these evil people
are, strap a bomb
around your chest like they do and blow your ass up.
I'm willing to bet
I have more military time than all of you put
together so tell me how
fucking brave you are.
How many of you have read Jimmy Carter's 'Palestine:
Peace not
Apartheid'? or perhaps Ali Abunimah's 'One Country'?
or even Andrew
Hurley's 'One Nation Under Israel'? I had a copy of
the last one sent
to Till a couple years ago but never heard a word
back from him.
That's more than I've written in a long time but I
had all weekend to
think about it.
Ian Dorion
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CHIP:
I'd just like to say, Ian, thank you for your personal
testimony; touching, but that's what the above pretty
much adds up to.
I don't care how long you were in the military, as if
it has any relevance, or adds one iota of legitimacy
to your position. I was in the Navy for four years
myself (as if it matters). I also don't care how
brainwashed you think you were. By the way, how do
you know you're not just brainwashed into the opposite
extreme now?
And you have the nerve to put up a book by Jimmy "I
was a useless President, and now I'm a poisonous snake
handling moron" Carter as support for your position?
What a joke. I'll try to find some reviews on these
other books and check them out if I can find them.
However, if you want to convince anyone here, you're
going to have to do better than throwing out some
books (by at least one, and likely three, obviously
biased individuals). You started laying the
groundwork for your argument, and then apparently
forgot where you were going.
I have to drop off the list for a while to attend
school, but I'll hang around for a few more days to
see if you provide anything of substance.
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