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What 'time of war' is that?
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Terry L Parker
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Jan 03, 2004 09:29 PST
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There is NO 'time of war' for the USA as no 'war' has been declared by congress as required by article I section 8 clause 11 of this nation's constitution; the one that US soldiers swear to uphold & protect against all enemies abroad and DOMESTIC! http://www.constitution.org/
It is also not a good idea to poke sticks into hornets nests if one does not want to get stung (or get others stung).
Cato Foreign Policy Briefing No. 50
Does U.S. Intervention Overseas Breed Terrorism?
The Historical Record by Ivan Eland,
director of defense policy studies at the Cato Institute
(2nd most influential Wash DC public policy institute)
http://www.cato.org/pubs/fpbriefs/fpb-050es.html
Especially when it has more to do with the private interests of some vs national interests:
Austin/Houston area (dst 14) US Rep Ron Paul (R) said in Congress:
Of course, it isn't our oil. The oil in fact belongs to the Arabs and other Muslim nations of the Persian Gulf. Our military presence in Saudi Arabia is what most Muslims believe to be a sacred violation of holy land. The continuous bombing and embargo of Iraq, has intensified the hatred and contributed to more than over 1,000,000 deaths in Iraq. It is clear that protecting certain oil interests and our presence in the Persian Gulf help drive the holy war.
Muslims see this as an invasion and domination by a foreign enemy which inspires radicalism. This is not new. This war, from their viewpoint, has been going on since the Crusades 1000 year ago. We ignore this history at our own peril.
The radicals react as some Americans might react if China dominated the Gulf of Mexico and had air bases in Texas and Florida. Dominating the Persian Gulf is not a benign activity. It has consequences. The attack on the USS Cole was a warning we ignored.
Furthermore, our support for secular governments in the moderate Arab countries is interpreted by the radicals as more American control over their region than they want. There is no doubt that our policies that are seen by the radicals as favoring one faction over another in the long lasting Middle East conflict add to the distrust and hatred of America.
The hatred has been suppressed because we are a powerful economic and military force and wield a lot of influence. But this suppressed hatred is now becoming more visible and we as Americans for the most part are not even aware of how this could be. Americans have no animosity toward a people they hardly even know. Instead, our policies have been driven by the commercial interests of a few. And now the innocent suffer.
MoreAt http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2001/cr092501.htm
Just as it is wrong (inaccurate) to slander ALL Christians over the behavior of SOME, it is misleading to so do with any other group of people:
Libertarian national Muslim figure, Dean Ahmad www.minaret.org
publishes 'Islam and the Discovery of Freedom' on the 50th anniversary of the creation of the modern state of Israel; and takes live unscreened calls from viewers on this 1 hour TV show.
http://txliberty.dyndns.org/inetpub/wwwroot/webfiles/LL980502.rm
Live&LetLive.1998.05.02 http://www.austinliberty.org/lptv.html
Liberty InterNet TV archives of previous shows
available free for playback and/or download
at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LibertyProspects/links
Libertarianism (reciprocal physical autonomy for each person) starts with this premise
at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/message/9386
We must be FOR a brave love of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness;
as it triumphs over the tyranny of fear!
-Terry Liberty Parker
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/
In Austin Texas every Sunday 6:30pm to ?
I host informal discussion to which all are welcome
who want to consider ideas & issues of political liberty
in Hickory St Grill at 8th St & Congress Ave
MyPicAt http://profiles.yahoo.com/txliberty
http://www.publicconversations.org/
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>There is NO 'time of war' for the USA as no 'war' has
been declared by congress as required by article I section 8 clause 11 of this
nation's constitution; the one that US soldiers swear to uphold
& protect against all enemies abroad and DOMESTIC! <A
href="http://www.constitution.org/">http://www.constitution.org/</A> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>It is also not a good idea to poke sticks into hornets
nests if one does not want to get stung (or get others stung).
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><STRONG>Cato Foreign Policy Briefing No. 50
<BR></STRONG>Does U.S. Intervention Overseas Breed Terrorism? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>The Historical Record by Ivan Eland, </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>director of defense policy studies at the Cato Institute
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>(2nd most influential Wash DC public policy institute)
<BR></FONT><A href="http://www.cato.org/pubs/fpbriefs/fpb-050es.html"><FONT
face=Arial
color=#0000ff>http://www.cato.org/pubs/fpbriefs/fpb-050es.html</FONT></A><FONT
size=2> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Especially when it has more to do with the private
interests of some vs national interests: </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Austin/Houston area (dst 14) US Rep Ron Paul (R) said in
Congress: </FONT></DIV>
<DIV>
<P>Of course, it isn't our oil. The oil in fact belongs to the Arabs and other
Muslim nations of the Persian Gulf. Our military presence in Saudi Arabia is
what most Muslims believe to be a sacred violation of holy land. The continuous
bombing and embargo of Iraq, has intensified the hatred and contributed to more
than over 1,000,000 deaths in Iraq. It is clear that protecting certain oil
interests and our presence in the Persian Gulf help drive the holy war.</P>
<P>Muslims see this as an invasion and domination by a foreign enemy which
inspires radicalism. This is not new. This war, from their viewpoint, has been
going on since the Crusades 1000 year ago. We ignore this history at our own
peril.</P>
<P>The radicals react as some Americans might react if China dominated the Gulf
of Mexico and had air bases in Texas and Florida. Dominating the Persian Gulf is
not a benign activity. It has consequences. The attack on the USS Cole was a
warning we ignored.</P>
<P>Furthermore, our support for secular governments in the moderate Arab
countries is interpreted by the radicals as more American control over their
region than they want. There is no doubt that our policies that are seen by the
radicals as favoring one faction over another in the long lasting Middle East
conflict add to the distrust and hatred of America.</P>
<P>The hatred has been suppressed because we are a powerful economic and
military force and wield a lot of influence. But this suppressed hatred is now
becoming more visible and we as Americans for the most part are not even aware
of how this could be. Americans have no animosity toward a people they hardly
even know. Instead, our policies have been driven by the commercial interests of
a few. And now the innocent suffer. </P>
<P>MoreAt <A
href="http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2001/cr092501.htm">http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2001/cr092501.htm</A> </P>
<P><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </P>
<P><FONT face=Arial>Just as it is wrong (inaccurate) to slander ALL
Christians over the behavior of SOME, </FONT><FONT face=Arial>it is
misleading to so do with any other group of people: </FONT></P><FONT
face=Arial>
<P><BR><STRONG>Libertarian national Muslim figure, Dean Ahmad </STRONG><A
href="http://www.minaret.org"><STRONG>www.minaret.org</STRONG></A> </P>
<P>publishes 'Islam and the Discovery of Freedom' on the 50th anniversary of the
creation of the modern state of Israel; and takes live unscreened calls from
viewers on this 1 hour TV show. <BR></FONT><A
href="http://txliberty.dyndns.org/inetpub/wwwroot/webfiles/LL980502.rm"><FONT
face=Arial
color=#0000ff>http://txliberty.dyndns.org/inetpub/wwwroot/webfiles/LL980502.rm</FONT></A><FONT
size=2> </FONT></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial><STRONG>Live&LetLive.1998.05.02</STRONG> </FONT><A
href="http://www.austinliberty.org/lptv.html"><FONT
face=Arial>http://www.austinliberty.org/lptv.html</FONT></A><STRONG><FONT
face=Arial> </FONT></STRONG></P>
<P><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </P>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><STRONG>Liberty InterNet TV</STRONG> archives of
previous shows </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>available free for playback and/or download
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>at <A
href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LibertyProspects/links" target=_blank><FONT
color=#0000ff>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LibertyProspects/links</FONT></A> </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><EM><STRONG>Libertarianism</STRONG> (r</EM>eciprocal
physical autonomy for each person) starts with this premise </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>at <A
href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/message/9386"
target=_blank><FONT
color=#0000ff>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/message/9386</FONT></A> </FONT></DIV></FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#800000><EM>We must be FOR a brave love of life,
liberty and the pursuit of happiness; </EM></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#800000><EM><FONT face=Arial>as it triumphs over the tyranny of
fear!</FONT></EM> </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT face=Script color=#800000 size=4><EM><STRONG>-Terry
Liberty Parker</STRONG></EM></FONT> </FONT></DIV>
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color=#000080> </FONT></EM></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><EM><FONT face=Arial color=#000080></FONT></EM> </DIV>
<DIV><EM><FONT face=Arial color=#000080>In Austin Texas every Sunday 6:30pm to ?
</FONT></EM></DIV>
<DIV><EM><FONT face=Arial color=#000080>I host informal discussion to which all
are welcome </FONT></EM></DIV>
<DIV><EM><FONT face=Arial color=#000080>who want to consider ideas & issues
of political liberty </FONT></EM></DIV>
<DIV><EM><FONT face=Arial color=#000080>in Hickory St Grill at 8th St &
Congress Ave </FONT></EM></DIV>
<DIV><EM><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#000080>MyPicAt </FONT><A
href="http://profiles.yahoo.com/txliberty" target=_blank><FONT
color=#000080>http://profiles.yahoo.com/txliberty</FONT></A><FONT color=#000080>
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