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West Wing TV Israel Insight
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Terry L Parker
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Feb 12, 2004 11:06 PST
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What do you think of competent people making big mistakes?
On NBC's 'the West Wing' show last night, the fictional TV prez (played by Martin Sheen) confronts the ambassador from Israel about his nation's WMD violation of the US enforced ban on nuclear proliferation.
The ambassador totally rebukes AND silences the US TV prez's objections by saying that his 6 million Israelis are surrounded by 200 million Arabs that are out to obliterate them. Apparently the prospect of another 6 million Jews being destroyed on his watch was to much for the TV Catholic prez; even if religion was not mentioned on this encounter.
So, Israel should be allowed to have these WMD while the US policy, on the show AND in real life, is apparently to bomb and or invade OTHER middle east countries for attempting to do the same. But, what effect does such blatant favoritism have on the middle east?
Also left unexplored, in this otherwise very well crafted series, was the question of why the USA had ANY presence as a govt in the middle east; iz jes 'policy'
Cato Foreign Policy Briefing No. 50
Does U.S. Intervention Overseas Breed Terrorism?
The Historical Record by Ivan Eland,
then director of defense policy studies at the Cato Institute
at http://www.cato.org/pubs/fpbriefs/fpb-050es.html
USA presence in the Persian Gulf helps extremists to recruit for the holy war:
Muslims see this as an invasion and domination by a foreign enemy which inspires radicalism. This is not new. This war, from their viewpoint, has been going on since the Crusades 1000 year ago. We ignore this history at our own peril.
The radicals react as some Americans might react if China dominated the Gulf of Mexico and had air bases in Texas and Florida. Dominating the Persian Gulf is not a benign activity. It has consequences. The attack on the USS Cole was a warning we ignored.
Furthermore, our support for secular governments in the moderate Arab countries is interpreted by the radicals as more American control over their region than they want. There is no doubt that our policies that are seen by the radicals as favoring one faction over another in the long lasting Middle East conflict add to the distrust and hatred of America.
The hatred has been suppressed because we are a powerful economic and military force and wield a lot of influence. But this suppressed hatred is now becoming more visible and we as Americans for the most part are not even aware of how this could be. Americans have no animosity toward a people they hardly even know. Instead, our policies have been driven by the commercial interests of a few.
And now the innocent suffer.
Said US Rep Ron Paul (R) in Congress Sept 25, 2001
at http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2001/cr092501.htm
*The libertarian solution and see lots of land maps at: http://www.secession.net/israel-palestine-confederation.html
*Libertarian Murray Rothbard's late 1960s War Guilt in the Middle
East on why libertarians must take a stand.
http://www.mises.org/journals/lar/pdfs/3_3/3_3_4.pdf
*"The Real Reason to Oppose Aid to Israel" by Libertarian I. Dean
Ahmad, Ph.D. http://www.minaret.org/israeliaid.htm
http://www.mises.org/journals/lar/pdfs/3_3/3_3_4.pdf
Libertarian sites with info the subject
* http://againstbombing.com/ http://www.antiwar.com http://wwww.non-intervention.net
*A lot of documents
http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/mideast/mideast.htm
*Extensive and detailed timelines, some from evidence and perspective of the Arab victims:
http://www.palestineremembered.com/Acre/Palestine-Remembered/Story564.html
http://www.palestine-net.com/history/bhist.html http://www.passia.org/palestine_facts/chronology/0_chronology.htm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/in_depth/world/2001/israel_and_palestinians/timeline/
http://globalcircle.net/00palestine.htm Interactive, lots of links to facts
and figures including:
DISPOSSESSED PALESTINIANS (AND WHERE
THEY MOST WANT TO GO HOME TO...)
District Depopulated Dispossessed Population
Villages 1948 1999
-------------------------------------------------------
Acre 30 47,038 306,753
Ramleh 64 97,405 635,215
Baysan 31 19,602 127,832
Beersheba 88 90,507 590,231
Gaza 46 79,947 521,365
Haifa 59 121,196 790,365
Hebron 16 22,991 149,933
Jaffa 25 123,227 803,610
Jerusalem 39 97,950 638,769
Jenin 6 4,005 26,118
Nazareth 5 8,746 57,036
Safad 78 52,248 340,729
Tiberias 26 28,872 188,285
Tulkarm 18 11,032 71,944
----------------------------------------------------------
TOTAL 531 804,766 5,248,185
ALSO:
List of Israeli and Palestinian Peace groups
http://www.ariga.com/humanrights/
Live&LetLive Audio Title:
Playback George Carlin's little 15 sec explanation
at http://txliberty.dyndns.org/Inetpub/wwwroot/Webfiles/letlive.ram
Live&LetLive.2001.10.06:
www.AustinAgainstWar.org with guests Pam Thompson and Stefan Wray.
Made soon after 911; includes ABC-TV Austin affiliate (KVUE)
street rally interview with Terry Liberty Parker in first few minutes.
Playback http://images.indymedia.org/imc/austin/lll01100.rm
Live&LetLive.1998.05.02:
Libertarian national Muslim figure, Dean Ahmad http://www.minaret.org
publishes 'Islam and the Discovery of Freedom'
on the 50th anniversary of the creation of the modern state of Israel;
and takes live unscreened calls from viewers on this 1 hour TV show.
Playback http://txliberty.dyndns.org/inetpub/wwwroot/webfiles/LL980502.rm
Liberty InterNet TV archives of additional shows
are also available for free playback and/or download
at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LibertyProspects/links
Libertarianism (reciprocal physical autonomy for each person) starts with this premise
at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/message/9386
'Real world' experiment in LIBERTARIAN community
became famous as peace demonstration and more
at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LibertyProspects/message/2569
The events of 911 have moved America
from a relatively blissful ignorance
to a stunning awareness of that which
intimidates us into questionable compromise.
But, Americans must transcend that!
We must be FOR a brave, consistent & inclusive
love of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness
as it triumphs over the tyranny of that fear!
-Terry Liberty Parker
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/
In Austin Texas every Sunday 6:30pm to ?
I host informal discussion to which all are welcome
who want to consider ideas & issues of political liberty
in Hickory St Grill at 8th St & Congress Ave
MyPicAt http://profiles.yahoo.com/txliberty
http://www.publicconversations.org/
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial>What do you think of competent people making big
mistakes? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>On NBC's 'the West Wing' show last night, the
fictional TV prez (played by Martin Sheen) confronts the ambassador from
Israel about his nation's WMD violation of the US enforced ban on
nuclear proliferation. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>The ambassador totally rebukes AND
silences the US TV prez's objections by saying that his 6 million
Israelis are surrounded by 200 million Arabs that are out to
obliterate them. </FONT><FONT face=Arial>Apparently the prospect
of another 6 million Jews being destroyed on his watch was to much for the TV
Catholic prez; even if religion was not mentioned on this encounter.
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>So, Israel should be allowed to have these WMD while
the US policy, on the show AND in real life, is apparently to bomb and
or invade OTHER middle east countries for attempting to do the
same. But, what effect does such blatant favoritism have on the
middle east? </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>Also left unexplored, in this otherwise very
well crafted series, was the question of why the USA had ANY presence as a
govt in the middle east; iz jes 'policy'</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial>
<DIV><STRONG>Cato Foreign Policy Briefing No. 50 <BR></STRONG>Does U.S.
Intervention Overseas Breed Terrorism? </DIV>
<DIV>The Historical Record by Ivan Eland, </DIV>
<DIV>then director of defense policy studies at the Cato Institute <BR>at
<A href="http://www.cato.org/pubs/fpbriefs/fpb-050es.html"
target=_blank>http://www.cato.org/pubs/fpbriefs/fpb-050es.html</A><FONT size=2>
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><STRONG>USA presence in the Persian Gulf
helps extremists to recruit for the holy war: </STRONG>
<P><EM>Muslims see this as an invasion and domination by a foreign enemy which
inspires radicalism. This is not new. This war, from their viewpoint, has been
going on since the Crusades 1000 year ago. We ignore this history at our own
peril.</EM></P>
<P><EM>The radicals react as some Americans might react if China dominated the
Gulf of Mexico and had air bases in Texas and Florida. Dominating the Persian
Gulf is not a benign activity. It has consequences. The attack on the USS Cole
was a warning we ignored.</EM></P>
<P><EM>Furthermore, our support for secular governments in the moderate Arab
countries is interpreted by the radicals as more American control over their
region than they want. There is no doubt that our policies that are seen by the
radicals as favoring one faction over another in the long lasting Middle East
conflict add to the distrust and hatred of America.</EM></P>
<P><EM>The hatred has been suppressed because we are a powerful economic and
military force and wield a lot of influence. But this suppressed hatred is now
becoming more visible and we as Americans for the most part are not even aware
of how this could be. Americans have no animosity toward a people they hardly
even know. Instead, our policies have been driven by the commercial interests of
a few. </EM></P>
<P><EM>And now the innocent suffer. </EM> </P>
<P><STRONG>Said US Rep Ron Paul (R) in Congress Sept 25, 2001</STRONG> </P>
<P>at <A href="http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2001/cr092501.htm"
target=_blank><FONT
color=#0000ff>http://www.house.gov/paul/congrec/congrec2001/cr092501.htm</FONT></A> </P>
<P> </P>
<P> </P><PRE wrap>*The libertarian solution and see lots of land maps at: </PRE><PRE wrap><A class=moz-txt-link-freetext href="http://www.secession.net/israel-palestine-confederation.html" target=_blank>http://www.secession.net/israel-palestine-confederation.html</A>
*Libertarian Murray Rothbard's late 1960s War Guilt in the Middle
East on why libertarians must take a stand.
<A class=moz-txt-link-freetext href="http://www.mises.org/journals/lar/pdfs/3_3/3_3_4.pdf" target=_blank>http://www.mises.org/journals/lar/pdfs/3_3/3_3_4.pdf</A>
*"The Real Reason to Oppose Aid to Israel" by Libertarian I. Dean
Ahmad, Ph.D. <A class=moz-txt-link-freetext href="http://www.minaret.org/israeliaid.htm" target=_blank>http://www.minaret.org/israeliaid.htm</A>
<A class=moz-txt-link-freetext href="http://www.mises.org/journals/lar/pdfs/3_3/3_3_4.pdf" target=_blank>http://www.mises.org/journals/lar/pdfs/3_3/3_3_4.pdf</A>
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<DIV class=moz-text-plain lang=x-western wrap="true" graphical="true"><PRE wrap>Libertarian sites with info the subject
* <A class=moz-txt-link-freetext href="http://againstbombing.com/" target=_blank>http://againstbombing.com/</A> <A class=moz-txt-link-freetext href="http://www.antiwar.com/" target=_blank>http://www.antiwar.com</A> <A href="http://wwww.non-intervention.net/" target=_blank>http://wwww.non-intervention.net
</A>
*A lot of documents
<A class=moz-txt-link-freetext href="http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/mideast/mideast.htm" target=_blank>http://www.yale.edu/lawweb/avalon/mideast/mideast.htm</A>
*Extensive and detailed timelines, some from evidence and perspective of the Arab victims:
<A class=moz-txt-link-freetext href="http://www.palestineremembered.com/Acre/Palestine-Remembered/Story564.html" target=_blank>http://www.palestineremembered.com/Acre/Palestine-Remembered/Story564.html</A>
<A class=moz-txt-link-freetext href="http://www.palestine-net.com/history/bhist.html" target=_blank>http://www.palestine-net.com/history/bhist.html</A> <A class=moz-txt-link-freetext href="http://www.passia.org/palestine_facts/chronology/0_chronology.htm" target=_blank>http://www.passia.org/palestine_facts/chronology/0_chronology.htm</A>
<A class=moz-txt-link-freetext href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/in_depth/world/2001/israel_and_palestinians/timeline/" target=_blank>http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/in_depth/world/2001/israel_and_palestinians/timeline/</A>
<A class=moz-txt-link-freetext href="http://globalcircle.net/00palestine.htm" target=_blank>
http://globalcircle.net/00palestine.htm</A> Interactive, lots of links to facts
and figures including:
DISPOSSESSED PALESTINIANS (AND WHERE
THEY MOST WANT TO GO HOME TO...)
District Depopulated Dispossessed Population
Villages 1948 1999
-------------------------------------------------------
Acre 30 47,038 306,753
Ramleh 64 97,405 635,215
Baysan 31 19,602 127,832
Beersheba 88 90,507 590,231
Gaza 46 79,947 521,365
Haifa 59 121,196 790,365
Hebron 16 22,991 149,933
Jaffa 25 123,227 803,610
Jerusalem 39 97,950 638,769
Jenin 6 4,005 26,118
Nazareth 5 8,746 57,036
Safad 78 52,248 340,729
Tiberias 26 28,872 188,285
Tulkarm 18 11,032 71,944
----------------------------------------------------------
TOTAL 531 804,766 5,248,185
ALSO:
List of Israeli and Palestinian Peace groups
<A class=moz-txt-link-freetext href="http://www.ariga.com/humanrights/" target=_blank>http://www.ariga.com/humanrights/</A>
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<P><FONT size=2><STRONG>Live&LetLive Audio Title: <BR></STRONG>Playback
George Carlin's little 15 sec explanation <BR>at </FONT><A
href="http://txliberty.dyndns.org/Inetpub/wwwroot/Webfiles/letlive.ram"
target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2>http://txliberty.dyndns.org/Inetpub/wwwroot/Webfiles/letlive.ram</FONT></A><FONT
size=2> </FONT></P>
<P> </P>
<DIV><FONT size=2><STRONG>Live&LetLive.2001.10.06:
<BR></STRONG>www.AustinAgainstWar.org with guests Pam Thompson and Stefan Wray.
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>Made soon after 911; includes ABC-TV Austin affiliate (KVUE)
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>street rally interview with Terry Liberty Parker in first few
minutes. <BR>Playback </FONT><A
href="http://images.indymedia.org/imc/austin/lll01100.rm" target=_blank><FONT
color=#0000ff
size=2>http://images.indymedia.org/imc/austin/lll01100.rm</FONT></A> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2><STRONG></STRONG></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2><STRONG>Live&LetLive.1998.05.02:
<BR></STRONG>Libertarian national Muslim figure, </FONT><FONT size=2>Dean
Ahmad <A href="http://www.minaret.org/" target=_blank>http://www.minaret.org</A>
</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>publishes 'Islam and the Discovery of Freedom' </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>on the 50th anniversary of the creation of the modern state of
Israel; </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>and takes live unscreened calls from viewers on this 1 hour TV
show. <BR>Playback </FONT><A
href="http://txliberty.dyndns.org/inetpub/wwwroot/webfiles/LL980502.rm"
target=_blank><FONT
size=2>http://txliberty.dyndns.org/inetpub/wwwroot/webfiles/LL980502.rm</FONT></A><FONT
size=2> </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2><STRONG>Liberty InterNet
TV</STRONG> archives of additional shows </FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>are also available for free playback
and/or download </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2>at </FONT><A
href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LibertyProspects/links" target=_blank><FONT
color=#0000ff
size=2>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LibertyProspects/links</FONT></A><FONT
size=2> </FONT></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT
size=2><EM><STRONG>Libertarianism</STRONG> (r</EM>eciprocal physical
autonomy for each person) starts with this premise </FONT></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT size=2>at </FONT><A
href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/message/9386"
target=_blank><FONT color=#0000ff
size=2>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/message/9386</FONT></A> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2><STRONG>'Real world' experiment in LIBERTARIAN
community</STRONG> </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>became famous as peace demonstration and more </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2>at <A
href="http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LibertyProspects/message/2569"
target=_blank><FONT
color=#0000ff>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/LibertyProspects/message/2569</FONT></A>
</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#800000><EM>The events of 911 have moved America
</EM></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#800000><EM>from a relatively blissful ignorance
</EM></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#800000><EM>to a stunning awareness of that
which </EM></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#800000><EM>intimidates us into questionable
compromise. </EM></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#800000><EM></EM></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#800000><EM>But, Americans must transcend
that! </EM></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#800000><EM></EM></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#800000><EM>We must </EM></FONT><FONT
face=Arial color=#800000><EM>be FOR a brave, consistent &
inclusive</EM></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#800000><EM>love </EM></FONT><FONT face=Arial
color=#800000><EM>of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness
</EM></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT color=#800000><EM><FONT face=Arial>as it triumphs over the tyranny of
that fear!</FONT></EM> </FONT></DIV></FONT></DIV></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT color=#800000></FONT> </DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial><FONT face=Script color=#800000 size=4><EM><STRONG>-Terry
Liberty Parker</STRONG></EM></FONT> </FONT></DIV>
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target=_blank><FONT
color=#000080>http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Libertarian/</FONT></A><EM><FONT
color=#000080> </FONT></EM></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><EM><FONT face=Arial color=#000080></FONT></EM> </DIV>
<DIV><EM><FONT face=Arial color=#000080>In Austin Texas every Sunday 6:30pm to ?
</FONT></EM></DIV>
<DIV><EM><FONT face=Arial color=#000080>I host informal discussion to which all
are welcome </FONT></EM></DIV>
<DIV><EM><FONT face=Arial color=#000080>who want to consider ideas & issues
of political liberty </FONT></EM></DIV>
<DIV><EM><FONT face=Arial color=#000080>in Hickory St Grill at 8th St &
Congress Ave </FONT></EM></DIV>
<DIV><EM><FONT face=Arial><FONT color=#000080>MyPicAt </FONT><A
href="http://profiles.yahoo.com/txliberty" target=_blank><FONT
color=#000080>http://profiles.yahoo.com/txliberty</FONT></A><FONT color=#000080>
</FONT></FONT></EM></DIV>
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