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Parental Intelligence - Issue 54
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Bob Collier
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Aug 10, 2003 16:13 PDT
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10 August 2003
Issue 54
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Are you happy? I hope so! :D
I have a great article for you this week called "Happiness:
The Three Traditional Theories" by Martin E. P. Seligman and
Ed Royzman.
"There are, in our view, three types of traditional theories
of happiness. Which one you believe has implications for how
you lead your life, raise your child, or even cast your
vote."
Read the full story below!
In the latest instalment of The Candlelight Project, I take
a look at yet another suspicious aspect of the decidedly
dodgy diagnosis of 'ADHD'.
Doug Bench, meanwhile, asks the question "Does a "Touchy-
Feely" Relationship Affect the Brain and Achievement?"
I hope, as always, that you find something in this week's
Parental Intelligence that will change your life in a
positive way.
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THE CANDLELIGHT PROJECT
Here are some interesting numbers that the light of my
candle of exploration fell upon this week! They reminded me
of an aspect of so-called 'ADHD' that has struck me as very
curious.
Firstly, something from the 'Did You Know?' page of the
European Federation of Pharmaceutical Industries and
Associations website:
"Over 85,000 pharmaceutical industry scientists in Europe
are today searching for new cures and innovative therapies
for cancer, heart disease, Alzheimer's, Parkinson's,
arthritis, osteoporosis, cystic fibrosis, HIV/AIDS and other
infectious diseases, to name but a few."
Then, from an article called 'Quest for the Presidency',
dated September 22, 2000:
"In the heart of the Florida battleground thick with senior
voters, George W. Bush was proposing to spend $67 billion
over a decade on a "medical moonshot" to boost the public
and private search for cures of fatal diseases.
The figure includes $35 billion already in the Republican
presidential candidate's budget. It also includes increasing
the budget of the National Cancer Institute to $5.1 billion
by 2003."
Now, in the first of the two snippets of information, it
doesn't specify how many of those scientists are looking for
cures and how many are simply looking for "innovative
therapies" - but, let's use Pareto's Principle, for the sake
of argument, and say that 20% of them are looking for cures:
that's around 17,000 scientists actively searching for cures
for a variety of diseases. At the same time, that's only
talking about scientists in Europe and only within the
pharmaceutical industry in Europe.
The $67 billion over a decade promised by President-to-be
George W. Bush for the "public and private search for cures
of fatal diseases" gives us a clue as to how many scientists
in America are likely to be involved in the search for
cures. As you can see, $5.1 billion is being invested in a
search for a cure for cancer alone.
I don't think, then, that I'm stretching the idea too much
if I suggest that, worldwide and generally speaking, there
are probably tens of thousands of scientists backed by huge
amounts of funding who are currently actively searching for
cures for a variety of relatively common diseases.
It seems to me that, in the eyes of its proponents at least,
'ADHD' clearly qualifies as a relatively common 'disease'.
After all, more than 5 million children worldwide are
'afflicted' with it and that number is apparently increasing
alarmingly. The numbers are frequently referred to as "of
epidemic proportions", in fact.
So, how many scientists are there in the world today looking
for a cure for 'ADHD'?
Well, as far as I'm aware, there aren't any.
I do know of some scientists who are searching for a
'better' explanation of its 'cause' (it's up to them, of
course, if they want to spend their valuable time barking up
the wrong tree!), but nobody that I know of is ACTIVELY
SEARCHING FOR A CURE.
Isn't that strange?
'ADHD' is allegedly a 'disease', but - even though probably
tens of thousands of scientists around the world are
diligently searching for cures for a whole range of other
'diseases' - it seems that nobody is interested in looking
for a 'cure' for THIS particular 'disease'. And, as far as
I can make out, nobody has EVER looked for a 'cure' for
'ADHD'.
Perhaps, then, 'ADHD' is 'incurable'. Is THAT what its
proponents are claiming - that it's incurable?
Well, I've never personally encountered anybody who's ever
said that. Certainly, some people have talked about the
potential for 'ADHD' to continue into adulthood and become a
lifelong 'condition', but always in a context of how best to
'control the symptoms'. In nine months of exploring the
subject of 'ADHD' - that includes visiting dozens of
websites, posting at several online forums, reading a small
mountain of articles and exchanging possibly a couple of
hundred emails in total with a number of different people -
I've never yet found a proponent of 'ADHD' who has so much
as MENTIONED the small but relevant matter of whether it can
be CURED or not. Indeed, the fact that a 'disease' can have
a 'cure' - by definition - appears, in the case of 'ADHD',
to have been completely overlooked.
Don't you think that's weird? I do.
Here we have a supposed 'disease' that nobody is claiming is
incurable, therefore, presumably, it's curable - but,
nobody's looking for a cure. Instead, it seems that
psychiatrists, doctors and teachers would rather content
themselves with 'controlling the symptoms' indefinitely
through the administration of potentially harmful drugs.
Remember, incidentally, that these potentially harmful drugs
are being given to children as young as 18 months.
If you haven't yet read Barry Turner's article "ADHD and
the Meaning of Evidence", I recommend that you do. You'll
find it right here:
http://www.cultureshocktv.com/internews/2002/jun3200365685.shtml
If you're not up to speed with the Candlelight Project and
would like to read about it from the beginning, please
visit the following web page and read from Parental
Intelligence Issue 49:
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'ADHD', published May 2003, please send a blank email to:
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AN APOLOGY
"What Is Self-Esteem?" - Parental Intelligence Issue 53
Last week, I didn't give you the name of the author of the
article "What Is Self-Esteem?" That excellent article was,
in fact, written by Robert Reasoner, a member of The
International Council for Self-Esteem.
I apologise for the oversight.
The International Council for Self-Esteem, composed of
representatives from over 70 nations, serves as a resource
for anyone interested in research, training, materials, and
resources related to self-esteem. The purpose of the Council
is to promote public and personal awareness of the benefits
of a healthy sense of self-esteem and personal responsibility
and to establish conditions within families, schools,
businesses and governments that foster these qualities.
Contact may be made through the website
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Happiness: The Three Traditional Theories
by Martin E. P. Seligman and Ed Royzman
There are, in our view, three types of traditional theories
of happiness. Which one you believe has implications for how
you lead your life, raise your child, or even cast your vote.
Hedonism Theory
First, there is Hedonism. In all its variants, it holds that
happiness is a matter of raw subjective feeling. A happy
life maximizes feelings of pleasure and minimizes pain. A
happy person smiles a lot, is ebullient, bright eyed and
bushy tailed; her pleasures are intense and many, her pains
are few and far between. This theory has its modern
conceptual roots in Bentham's utilitarianism (Bentham, 1978),
its contagion in Hollywood entertainment, its grossest
manifestation in American consumerism, and one of its most
sophisticated incarnations in the views of our fellow
positive psychologist, Danny Kahneman, who recently won the
Nobel Prize in economics. His theory must wrestle with an
important question: Whose life is it anyway, the experiencer
or the retrospective judge of pleasure?
Consider the following scenario: researchers beep people at
random during the day, ask how much pleasure or pain a
person is experiencing right now (the Experience Sampling
Method, ESM), and extrapolate to an approximate total for
the experienced happiness over the week. They also ask the
same people afterwards "how happy was your week?" The
retrospective summary judgment of happiness often differs
greatly from the extrapolated total of experienced
happiness. Remember your last vacation? "Yes, it was great!"
you might say, even though if beeped during it, the
mosquitoes, the traffic, the sunburn, and the overpriced
food might gainsay your summary judgment. At the hands of
an experimental psychologist, hedonism becomes a
methodological commitment: your "objective happiness" for a
given time period is computed by adding up your on-line
hedonic assessments of all the individual moments that
comprise that period. This computed aggregate of
"experienced utility" becomes the criterion of truth about
how genuinely happy your vacation (your childhood, your
life) should be taken to be. On this view, the experiencer
is always right. If the experiencer and the retrospective
judge disagree, so much the worse for the judge.
One basic challenge facing a hedonist is that when we wish
someone a happy life (or a happy childhood, or even a happy
week), we are not merely wishing that they accumulate a tidy
sum of pleasures, irrespective of how this sum is
distributed across one's life-span or its meaning for the
whole (Velleman, 1991). We can imagine two lives that
contain the same exact amount of momentary pleasantness, but
one life tells a story of gradual decline (ecstatic
childhood, light-hearted youth, dysphonic adulthood,
miserable old age) while another is a tale of gradual
improvement (the above pattern in reverse). The difference
between these lives is a matter of their global trajectories
and these cannot be discerned from the standpoint of its
individual moments. They can only be fathomed by a
retrospective judge examining the life-pattern as a whole.
With this in mind, Authentic Happiness's principal challenge
to Hedonism is Wittgenstein's last words: "Tell them it was
wonderful!" uttered even after a life of negative emotion
and even downright misery. Hedonism cannot handle this type
of retrospective summary without tagging it as gross
misjudgment ("he must have been delirious!")
Desire Theory
Desire theory can do better than Hedonism. Desire theories
hold that happiness is a matter of getting what you want
(Griffin, 1986), with the content of the want left up to the
person who does the wanting. Desire theory subsumes hedonism
when what we want is lots of pleasure and little pain. Like
hedonism, desire theory can explain why an ice-cream cone is
preferable to a poke in the eye. However, hedonism and
desire theory often part company. Hedonism holds that the
preponderance of pleasure over pain is the recipe for
happiness even if this is not what one desires most. Desire
theory holds that that fulfillment of a desire contributes
to one's happiness regardless of the amount of pleasure (or
displeasure). One obvious advantage of Desire theory is that
it can make sense of Wittgenstein. He wanted truth and
illumination and struggle and purity, and he did not much
desire pleasure. His life was "wonderful" according to
Desire theory because he achieved more of truth and
illumination than most mortals, even though as a "negative
affective," he experienced less pleasure and more pain than
most people.
Nozick's (1974) experience machine (your lifetime is in a
tank with your brain wired up to yield any experiences you
want) is turned down because we desire to earn our
pleasures and achievements. We want them to come about as a
result of right action and good character, not as an
illusion of brain chemistry. So the Desire criterion for
happiness moves from Hedonism's amount of pleasure felt to
the somewhat less subjective state of how well one's desires
are satisfied.
Our principle objection to Desire theory is that one might
desire only to collect china tea cups or orgasms or only to
listen to Country and Western music or to count fallen
leaves all day long. The world's largest collection of tea
cups, no matter how "satisfying," does not seem to add up to
much of a happy life. One move to deflect this objection is
to limit the scope of Desire theory to the fulfillment of
only those desires that one would have if one aimed at an
objective list of what is truly worthwhile in life.
Objective List Theory
Objective List theory (Nussbaum, 1992; Sen, 1985) lodges
happiness outside of feeling and onto a list of "truly
valuable" things in the real world. It holds that happiness
consists of a human life that achieves certain things from a
list of worthwhile pursuits: such a list might include
career accomplishments, friendship, freedom from disease and
pain, material comforts, civic spirit, beauty, education,
love, knowledge, and good conscience. Consider the thousands
of abandoned children living on the streets of the Angolan
capital of Luanda. As the New York Times tells us, "dressed
in rags, they spend nights in the sandy strip along the bay,
and their days foraging for food through mounds of garbage."
It seems conceivable that their existence, consumed with
meeting momentary needs, adventurous roving in gangs, casual
sex, with little thought for tomorrow, might actually be
subjectively "happy" from either the Hedonism or Desire
theory perspective. But we are reluctant to classify such an
existence as "happy" and the Objective List theory tells us
why. These children are deprived of many or most things that
would go on anybody's list of what is worthwhile in life.
Although we find Objective List's shift to the objectively
valuable a positive move, our principal objection to this
theory is that some big part of how happy we judge a life to
be must take feelings and desires (however shortsighted)
into account.
Authentic Happiness
Where does our Authentic Happiness (Seligman, 2003) theory
stand with respect to these three theoretical traditions?
Our theory holds that there are three distinct kinds of
happiness: the Pleasant Life (pleasures), the Good Life
(engagement), and the Meaningful Life. The first two are
subjective, but the third is at least partly objective and
lodges in belonging to and serving what is larger and more
worthwhile than just the self's pleasures and desires. In
this way, Authentic Happiness synthesizes all three
traditions: The Pleasant Life is about happiness in
Hedonism's sense. The Good Life is about happiness in
Desire's sense, and the Meaningful Life is about happiness
in Objective List's sense. To top it off, Authentic
Happiness further allows for the "Full Life," a life that
satisfies all three criteria of happiness.
For Further Reading
Bentham, J. (1978). The Principles of Morals and
Legislation. Buffalo: Prometheus.
Griffin, J. (1986). Well-being: Its meaning, measurement,
and moral importance. Oxford, England: Clarendon Press.
Kahneman, D. (1999). Objective happiness. In D. Kahneman, E.
Diener & N. Schwarz (Eds.), Well-being: The foundations of
hedonic psychology (pp. 3-25). New York: Russell Sage.
Kagan, S. (1998). Normative ethics. Boulder, CO: Westview
Press.
Mayerfeld, J. (1999). Suffering and moral responsibility.
New York: Oxford University Press.
Nozick, R. (1974). Anarchy, state, and utopia. New York:
Basic Books.
Nussbaum, M. (1992). Human functioning and social justice:
In defense of Aristotelian essentialism. Political Theory,
20, 202-246.
Royzman, E.B., Cassidy, K.W., Baron, J. (2003). "I know, you
know": Epistemic egocentrism in children and adults. Review
of General Psychology, 7, 38-65.
Seligman, M. E. P. (2002). Authentic Happiness. New York:
Free Press.
Sen, A. (1985). Commodities and Capabilities. Amsterdam:
North-Holland.
Velleman, J.D. (1991). Well-being and time. Pacific
Philosophical Quarterly, 72, 48-77.
© Copyright 2003 Martin E. P. Seligman. All rights reserved.
The above article is reprinted with permission from the July
2003 Authentic Happiness Newsletter.
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BOOK REVIEW
Martin Seligman's Newest Book:
From the author of "Learned Optimism"...
AUTHENTIC HAPPINESS: Using the New Positive Psychology to
Realize Your Potential for Lasting Fulfillment
Free Press, September 2002 (320 pages) Hardcover, ISBN:
0-743-22297-0
Simon & Schuster Audioworks, September 2002, (4 Audio CDs)
Audio CD, ISBN: 0-743-52491-8
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Cassettes) Audio Cassette, ISBN: 0-743-52490-X
"Over a decade ago, Martin Seligman charted a new approach
to living with "flexible optimism." Now, in his most
stimulating and persuasive book to date, the bestselling
author of Learned Optimism introduces the revolutionary,
scientifically based idea of "Positive Psychology." Positive
Psychology focuses on strengths rather than weaknesses,
asserting that happiness is not the result of good genes or
luck. Seligman teaches readers that happiness can be
cultivated by identifying and using many of the strengths
and traits that they already possess--including kindness,
originality, humor, optimism, and generosity. By frequently
calling upon their "signature strengths" in all the crucial
realms of life, readers will not only develop natural
buffers against misfortune and the experience of negative
emotion, they will move their lives up to a new, more
positive plane. Drawing on groundbreaking psychological
research, Seligman shows how Positive Psychology is shifting
the profession's paradigm away from its narrow-minded focus
on pathology, victimology, and mental illness to positive
emotion, virtue and strength, and positive institutions. Our
signature strengths can be nurtured throughout our lives,
with benefits to our health, relationships, and careers.
Seligman provides the Signature Strengths Survey along with
a variety of brief tests that can be used to measure how
much positive emotion readers experience, in order to help
determine what their highest strengths are. The life-
changing lesson of Authentic Happiness is that by
identifying the very best in ourselves, we can improve the
world around us and achieve new and sustainable levels of
authentic contentment, gratification, and meaning.
Read critical acclaim for Dr. Seligman's new book here:
http://www.authentichappiness.org/Book.html
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"Read, every day, something that no one else is reading.
Think, every day, something that no one else is thinking.
Do, every day, something no one else would be silly enough
to do. It is bad for the mind to continually be part of
unanimity." - Christopher Morley
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DOUG BENCH'S BRAIN STUFF
Does a "Touchy-Feely" Relationship Affect the Brain and
Achievement?
Some time ago we told of the fascinating very different
results that occurred in the growth and learning rate of
rats that lived in identical environments in research labs
in England and the United States.
The two groups of rats were from the same supply house.
They were fed exactly the same food and same proportions.
They did the same exercises.
But the rats in England, strangely, were maturing faster and
growing more healthy than the rats in the United States.
The scientists were perplexed by this apparent mystery,
until they discovered quite by accident the difference!
When the maintenance staff for the laboratory in the United
States cleaned each rat's cage, they moved each rat to a
different cage. In England, when the maintenance staff
cleaned the cage of each rat, one of the staff, held the rat
in their arms until they were able to return the rat to its
clean cage.
This touchy-time appeared to be the cause of the more
positive weight, health, and maturity in the English rats.
The theory being that this touching would cause the release
of positive "warm and fuzzy feeling" neurotransmitters in
the brains of the English rats, thus creating an environment
more conducive to growth and achievement.
Are any of you really surprised?
Now comes word of more research from the University of North
Carolina School of Medicine with correlating results in
humans.
The experiment under the direction of the Med School
researchers had a group of 100 adults hold hands with their
mate or partner for a period of 10 minutes while watching a
pleasant video. Then each couple hugged for 20 seconds.
Another group of 100 watched the same video, without the
hand-holding and without the hug. Then each group was asked
to talk about an incident that made them very angry and
upset.
THE RESULTS? Blood Pressure rose dramatically in the group
of people who had no contact with their partner - more than
double the blood pressure increase of the 'huggers'. The
non-huggers also experienced an increased heart rate, double
the increased rate of the huggers.
This research, along with other studies done at the
University of Miami Medical School's Touch Research
Institute, concludes that when we touch someone else (an
emotional event), it lowers the release in the brain of the
stress hormone cortisol.
This sets off a chain reaction increase in the good
neurotransmitters serotonin and dopamine which make us feel
really good.
Not surprisingly, the touch of a friend was not as effective
as the touch of a lover. The researchers also indicate that
these benefits from just one such touching experience, can
have a day-long positive effect.
It has also been shown that if emotions are involved as we
learn a new skill, or absorb new information, this positive
neurotransmitter release also causes more connections to be
made, and stronger connections to be made in your brain
relative to these new skills or information, so that the
connections (and the learning) will last much much longer
than if no emotion were involved.
CONCLUSION FOR YOU! If you want to achieve more, and have
your efforts last longer, enlist the help of your partner to
support you with a kind hand! A friendly touch! A warm hug
of love and support. Your brain will form much stronger and
longer lasting neuron connections. Your achievements will
be much greater!
Can we prove this in every-day life? Listen to this
seemingly unrelated article I found regarding restaurant
server tips.
The "How Stuff Works" Website has analyzed how tipping
restaurant servers works and what influences tipping. Most
of us would conclude that simply good service from an
attentive server determines the likely tip. But the
research shows other huge influences.
1. If a server leaves you each a piece of candy the average
tip increased by 2.7%
2. If a server squatted to your eye level to make eye
contact while taking your order and talking to you, the
average tip increased by an additional 2.6%
3. If, however, the server touches the customer - a brief
hand on the shoulder or back, or hand, the tip increased by
a whopping 30%.
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