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Re: ideal bicycle rules
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Rich Wilson
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Nov 05, 2009 08:53 PST
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I'm not actually in favor of such a set of rules. I'm against bikes sharing the sidewalk in other than exceptional cases, such as small children.
As to jogging on the road, the CVC states that pedestrians must use a pedestrian path or sidewalk if one exists (so jogging in the bike lane is technically illegal) and if such a facility doesn't exist, then they must walk facing traffic. (So your teacher was right).
21966. No pedestrian shall proceed along a bicycle path or lane where there is an adjacent adequate pedestrian facility.
21956. (a) No pedestrian may walk upon any roadway outside of a business or residence district otherwise than close to his or her left-hand edge of the roadway.
(b) A pedestrian may walk close to his or her right-hand edge of the roadway if a crosswalk or other means of safely crossing the roadway is not available or if existing traffic or other conditions would compromise the safety of a pedestrian attempting to cross the road.
Shared use trails are a whole new ball game, covered in detail here:
http://velonews.com/article/98988
Mostly it's about courtesy, consideration, and not yelling at people.
No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare
-- James Madison
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From: James Kirstein <jimkir-@earthlink.net>
To: aun-@earthlink.net; wk6-@yahoo.com
Cc: sa-@topica.com
Sent: Thu, November 5, 2009 8:22:35 AM
Subject: RE: <saba> ideal bicycle rules
A jogger doing 10 mph is not unreasonable. That's a 6 minute mile and a lot
of joggers do that in 5k or 10k runs. So should joggers be on the right side
of the road or the left? This whole thing boils down use common sense and
stay out of harms way.
BTW way I believe on the ARP bike trail it is pedestrians on the left facing
traffic and the vehicle code may say that also. I know my first grade
teacher did.
Bye, got to run. (Then ride after that.)
Jim Kirstein
-----Original Message-----
From: Muriel Strand [mailto:aun-@earthlink.net]
Sent: Thursday, November 05, 2009 8:05 AM
To: wk6-@yahoo.com
Cc: sa-@topica.com
Subject: Re: <saba> ideal bicycle rules
uh oh! what about joggers?
Muriel Strand, P.E.
www.sustainablecalpers.blogspot.com
www.sustainablesacramento.blogspot.com
On Nov 5, 2009, at 7:56 AM, Rich Wilson wrote:
| | Pedestrians shall be limited to a speed of 8 mph (too fast? Maybe 5?)
Pedestrians shall stay as far to the right as practicable except to
pass a slower moving pedestrian or to bypass an obstacle, or when
preparing to made a left hand or U turn.
Pedestrians shall not change their direction of travel without
first checking that it is safe to do so and clearly signaling their
intention.
Pedestrians shall signal their intention to stop as soon possible,
up to 2 seconds before actually stopping.
Faster moving pedestrians shall provide slower moving pedestrians
at least 1' of passing clearance.
No nation could preserve its freedom in the midst of continual warfare
-- James Madison
From: Muriel Strand <aun-@earthlink.net>
To: rgsh-@speakeasy.net
Cc: Sacramento Area Bicycle Advocates <sa-@topica.com>
Sent: Thu, November 5, 2009 6:53:39 AM
Subject: <saba> ideal bicycle rules
great idea! here's a first draft:
1. bicyclists on roads have the rights and responsibilities of
motor vehicles
1.a. bicyclists on roads have the option of acting like pedestrians
when no vehicles in motion are anywhere in view
2. bicyclists on sidewalks have the rights and responsibilities of
pedestrians
2.a. the rights and responsibilities of pedestrians are as follows:
TBA
can't help noticing that pedestrians are allowed on roadways
without any training or certification.
muriel
Muriel Strand, P.E.
www.sustainablecalpers.blogspot.com
www.sustainablesacramento.blogspot.com
On Nov 5, 2009, at 6:38 AM, Ryan Sharpe wrote:
| | But but, bicyclists are required to use motor vehicle facilities
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without
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