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RE: Oilier-than-thou hypocrites (was: Blue A******s)
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Tom Frost Jr
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Oct 11, 2005 19:25 PDT
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jeandiva wrote:
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Ya know, I admit it there are times I have to fly (can't figure a way to
ride a bike to see my family in Hawaii, sorry), I don't objectify others
who do, and I don't expect the government to fix it when it's so
obviously not in their best interest to do so.
As for bike lanes, I'm not going to persuade any John Forester
type-advocate that A. he's wrong about bikelanes or anything else to do
about bikes, or B. he's less green than anyone else on the planet.
Jym does a lot of good for a lot of causes, most of his travels are by
internet, and I certainly do not expect him to ride by bicyle 3000 miles
to prove a point. When Amtrak is cheaper to travel cross country because
it's well-funded by the government that should be falling over itself to
do so, then I might take Jym to task for not taking the train.
as to this:
"the excellent cycling facilities that already exist to the tune of
thousands of miles per county. "
can you give a comparison as to how many miles there are for bikes and
transit, as opposed to how many for private autos?
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TF: Well to use Susquehanna County, Pa. as an example, we have 1000+
miles of cycling facilities and only about 25 miles of bigoted (i.e.
posted by the state for "motor vehicles only") road.
"Transit" is a different category than private bikes/autos, but it's
available here by going to either the nearest Greyhound station which is
20 miles away, or (for a guy like me who generally boycotts that
f***-speed-laws outfit) one of the nearest Amtrak stations which are 110
and 130 miles away.
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number of facilities, can you analyse how many users are discouraged
from using those facilities through fear of traffic, congestion etc?
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TF: How about through the fact that they simply find motoring to be more
convenient for most of their trips? Indeed, when I visited the left
coast, most of the bike lanes that I saw were empty.
- Tom Frost Jr.
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By the way roads rarely get widened for bikelanes. Certainly not in SF.
It's usually the sidewalks that get cut into to increase lanes for cars.
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