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RE: New Park Horse Trail?  GaTrail
 Jun 04, 2003 11:14 PDT 

CTHA stands for the Chattahoochee Trail Horse Assoc. The organization
begin 12+ years ago....due to FS wanting to close a section of trail in
the forest to use. We now have 45 miles of DESIGNATED trails and two
primitive camps in that area (that we share with the mountain bikers).
The reason I highlighted "designated" is in the new FS Plan; that is all
we will be able to ride on in the National Forest, if the plan goes
through the way it is written now. I understand their reasoning....you
can't manage a forest with everyone going wherever they want....but with
the increase of recreational use the few designated areas we have will
not support the use.
Many of our trails are in the same condition....put in on old road beds
or wherever it was the easiest....and we are paying the price now...yes
we have trails....but after all the rain we've had they are in a mess.
We have also gone to FS (mountain bike and equestrian) regarding the
need to update FS policy on trail design/construction. Our goal would
be for Mike to hold a class for FS and DNR staff here in GA. I had
heard he was developing one....glad to hear it went so well.
If you want to check out our website we will be posting updates on the
progress of SETC 2004. www.ride-ctha.org
If all the trails in the past could have been done right from the
beginning....I don't think we would be pushed out from so many areas in
throughout the country.
WE have just got to keep educating equestrians on proper trail
design/construction and riding etiquette.
See ya' in Atlanta 2004!!!

-----Original Message-----
From: Rollins, Yvette Anderson [mailto:roll-@indiana.edu]
Sent: Wednesday, June 04, 2003 10:18 AM
To: use-@topica.com
Subject: RE: New Park Horse Trail?

Hi Sharon,

I agree you are lucky to have Mike and Jan so close. I will keep
spreading the word on proper trail design. Most of the trails we have
in Indiana are old roads that go back to horse and wagon and old logging
roads which put us in a mud bog to start with. If we can't get out of
the old roadbeds then we will be spending money and time we don't have
to raise the bed so that water can drain. It is not the impact the
horses have on the trail it is the location. It wouldn't matter if is
were hikers on these old roads they would still be a mud bog. Having
the DNR attend the trail certification puts us all on the same page.
One of the guys that came was a DNR employee from Mississippi. I was
very impressed by his supervisor in spending the money to send him. I
asked them all before they left if the course had made an impact on them
and they said yes and they were very glad they had come. Several of
them even said we realize now that the trails are in the wrong location
and we have our work cut out for us. The good part is they know the
Indiana Trail Riders will be there helping all we can.

Unfortunately, I will not be able to make SETC in Florida this year but
I plan on coming to Georgia next year. My brother lives right in
Atlanta. What does CTHA stand for?

Please let me know how things go in Florida.

I look forward to hearing from you.

Sincerely, Yvette

-----Original Message-----
From: GaTrail [mailto:gatr-@bellsouth.net]
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 5:50 PM
To: use-@topica.com
Subject: RE: New Park Horse Trail?

I have also encouraged Teresa to contact Mike. We are very lucky here
in Georgia to have him as our Trial Specialist. The equestrians and
mountain bikers have developed a good working relationship in part
because of Mike and Jan's knowledge and their willingness to share this
expertise for the betterment of trails. Plan on hearing Mike speak at
the 2004 SETC here in Atlanta. Your right a trail holds up sooo much
better with proper design and construction thus requiring little
maintenance. Granted more work in the beginning but well worth the
investment for improved riding enjoyment. Let's keep spreading the word
that the way to go is with good design/construction from the beginning.
See ya' in Florida next month at SETC. Sharon King CTHA BOD, FS
Liaison/Trails Coordinator, SETC 2004 Planning Comm.

-----Original Message-----
From: Rollins, Yvette Anderson [mailto:roll-@indiana.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, June 03, 2003 6:03 PM
To: use-@topica.com
Subject: RE: New Park Horse Trail?

Hi Teresa,

I have been following the posts you have been sending about your thesis.

For more background you might want to go to Envirohorse at:

Another resource would be the Back Country Horsemen of America at:

You are finding in your research that the proper design and construction
of a trail dictates the amount of trail degradation that occurs through
user impact. When a trail is properly constructed with the multiple
user in mind and the type of soil in the area then little impact occurs,
bearing in mind that Mother Nature can reek havoc on the best laid

Trail Design Specialists, Jan and Mike Riter have done extensive work in
this area and are working with multi-users to address the impact issues
that exist because of poor design or no design at all.

The Indiana Trail Riders Association, Inc. have commissioned Jan & Mike
to come to Indiana for the past two years for their course on Trail
Design, Construction and Maintenance. The course has been very
beneficial and this past April we had 6 DNR employees in attendance. We
volunteer countless hours in trail maintenance to the Indiana DNR and
the Hoosier National Forest and decided it was time we quit repairing
the same places year after year due to improper design and focus on what
caused the problem and how to correct it. In most cases it is a simple
reroute taking the trail out of an old road bed and putting it on a
slide slope where the water will flow across the trail and not lay in
the trail creating the problem. Having the DNR attend the course gives
everyone the same perspective of what is involved in our volunteer needs
in working on the trails.

You can contact Jan & Mike at: Traild-@mindspring.com for more
information on their trail certification course.

I agree that equestrian use has increased and so have the restrictions
on locations to ride because of increased urban development, liability
issues and riding on designated trails only. No longer can you ride
anywhere you like and so the trails are seeing increased user impact
where riding once was open to allow you access to adventures or seek out
new areas. We are truly becoming trail riders because we are now
restricted to designated trails only for riding and pay stiff penalties
if caught riding off the trail. The fact that the trails were not
brought up to a standard that could handle increased use prior to
restricting riders was not addressed and severe user impact and user
conflict have risen to the forefront. Riders who are lucky enough to
ride areas that are not restricted to designated trails only should take
advantage of it while they have the chance.

Good Luck with your thesis,


Yvette Anderson Rollins,
President, Indiana Trail Riders Association, Inc.
Vice President, Hoosier Back Country Horsemen of American, Inc. 1st Vice
President, Indiana Horse Council, Inc. Region 7 Director, US-ETC

-----Original Message-----
From: billi-@omega.omrf.ouhsc.edu
Sent: Monday, June 02, 2003 3:57 PM
To: use-@topica.com
Subject: Re: New Park Horse Trail?

Dear Mary:
I had not planned on attending the 2003 SETC conference, but if I can
swing it financially, it sounds like it would be very beneficial to my
research. When is it?

I enjoy and am quite passionate about Trails and Conservation. My
Master's is in Leisure Services Management and I only have three classes

and the thesis left. I hope to graduate from OSU in May, 2004. I will
bring in my rough draft of the 1st chapter of my thesis later this week
and will send you a copy. Any suggestions that you have will be
appreciated very much. I am still working on the questions to be asked
in the research project, and would like suggestions in this area too.

I appreciate your taking time to work with me.
Thank you very much,

Mary_H-@nps.gov wrote:
 Hi Teresa,

Your message was forwarded to me as someone who would be interested in

 your thesis work. I am an Outdoor Recreation Planner with the
National Park Service in an outreach program called Rivers, Trails and

 Conservation Assistance. We provide technical planning assistance for

 creating trails and greenspaces. I have developed a speciality in
equestrian trail use.

As you have found, there is little information on equestrian trails -
user numbers, trail design, types of users, levels of impact, etc. I
am always interested in gather more information and visiting with
people who are working to collect more. I also did my Masters work on

 surveys in parks and have consulted on surveys and research on trail
user issues.

I would like to hear about your research and compare notes on the
information you have find.

Will you be able to attend the 2003 SETC conference? I will be
speaking on equestrian groups partnering with nontraditional partners.

Mary Hanson

Mary A. Hanson, Outdoor Recreation Planner, Rivers & Trails - NPS
technical assistance for locally led projects.

1709 Jackson Street, Omaha, NE 68102-2571, Phone (402)221-3350, Fax
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